HW resume against opponents who have, at one time or another, featured in the top 10.

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  1. hhascup

    hhascup Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Actually he fought those 9 a toal of 11 times. He fought Patterson 3 times.

    I have the hold list of every Heavyweight fighter that was ever rated by Ring, actually I am up to the late 2000's, and all the other divisions up to the end of 1997.
     
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  2. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    The Ring year books, list number of fights against curently ranked and previously ranked contenders for the lineal champions.

    They might make your job a bit easier.
     
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  3. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    There are good reasons why this pair generaly end up the top two of the list.
     
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  4. johnmaff36

    johnmaff36 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Not a bother:good
     
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  5. Asterion

    Asterion Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Great job, congrats.

    The contexts must also be considered. Old timers had a lot more fights than current fighters. Therefore, more contenders in their resume. For example, Klitschko has 19 wins over Top10 contenders. Dempsey has 23. This seems good for Klitschko and not so good for Dempsey. For a fighter in the 1920s, he should have a much higher number of wins.

    The condition of their opponents must also be considered. For example, Larry Holmes' win over Muhammad Ali is counted. However, Ali was a corpse. And also Holmes fought many fighters who had less than 15 bouts. Obviously they were ranked in the Top10, but I still think that each fighter's condition must be seen.
     
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  6. Azzer85

    Azzer85 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    A really good list there, it also does some of the more underrated guys some justice.

    And Ali of course is the GOAT :)
     
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  7. SonnyListonsJab

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    Walcott should be 15-10..You left out Curtis Hatchetman Sheppard
     
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  8. hhascup

    hhascup Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Actually there several mistakes in those books as well.
     
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  9. bremen

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    Year-end ranking are a bit misleading. Kevin Jonhson and Danny Williams where in ring top 10 when they fought Vitali but they did not make in in annual rankings.
     
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  10. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Fortunately I remember the situations fairly well from this time so I didn't have to rely on year end for lewis, byrd, rahman or k2
     
    lufcrazy, Aug 25, 2011
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  11. Mendoza

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    Re-calculate the post by hitting the edit button on your first post of the thread. I plan to save this one. I do not think Tony Ross was a top ten guy. Good job.
     
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  12. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    According to MattD's rankings Ross debuted the top 10 in 1908. for the sake of consistency I use his rankings up until the Ring.

    I'm wondering whether or not to include Patterson's fight against Maxim; he weighed 177 but I'm sure it would have been regarded as a HW fight, as the opponent was 168. thoughts?

    Yes I intend to keep this thread as updated as possible.
     
    lufcrazy, Aug 25, 2011
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  13. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It was Patterson who actually weighed 168 pounds at the time.
     
    TheGreatA, Aug 25, 2011
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  14. lufcrazy

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    yeah I realised after I'd typed it but couldn't be bothered changing it because the end result is still the same.

    even though maxim was 177 it's still surely a lhw fight?
     
    lufcrazy, Aug 25, 2011
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  15. Mendoza

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    Matt thinks Ross was a top ten guy in 1909? Ross had a shaky record going into that fight.

    Off the top of my head, the following ten in 1909 where better:

    Langford, Mcvey, Jeanette, Ketchel, O'brien, Lang, Kaufman, Smith, Burns, and Flynn were better. Still I love to see this list updated and re-posted. Copy and save I will.
     
    Mendoza, Aug 27, 2011
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