HW resume against opponents who have, at one time or another, featured in the top 10.

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  1. hhascup

    hhascup Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well, you have your way of doing it and I have mine.

    What would be the difference if a fighter was rated in the top 10 for 1 month and then 7 years later he fought a Champion. Yes he would have been rated at one time or another, But he wasn't the fighter he once was.

    This is another reason why it is much better to list them when they are rated.

    DeLeon was rated in the top 10 as a Heavyweight in the January and February issues of 1988.
     
  2. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    We do indeed. as I say, i love your breakdowns I just have slightly different criteria.

    you say much better, that would be true if I was trying to say something here. People can make their own minds up, I just want to list notable opposition to allow for quick resume comparisons. If people want to dig deeper into the context they certainly can do.

    Listing top 10 at the time is far more time consuming and is something I just don't have the time to do. If someone wishes to do so they are welcome to, ofcourse, but it wouldn't match my end game either.

    Just to put a counter example.

    Ortiz is fighting Floyd who is unranked, does it degenrate the victory at all? not IMO.

    I know De leon and Maxim are ranked HW's that's specifically why I used them as examples to highlight a key difference.

    You knowledge is invaluable and is clearly beneficial since you have information about eveyr ranked fighter where as my info is more limited.

    I just like to draw a broad picture. I put the info out there, people can make of it what they want.
     
  3. Mendoza

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    Has a revision been made yet?
     
  4. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    yes the first page is totally up to date from all the suggestions so far.

    My criteria is as follows:

    I count any HW fight against an opponent who has been a title holder and or been top 10 ranked by the ring or Matt D. Prior to Matt D's rankings I've just listed guys I could find clippings of them being considered legit contenders at some point. Janitor claimed I'd sold them short but didn't come up with any extra names.
     
  5. hhascup

    hhascup Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I have most of them, in fact I have the 1st ever one, and it's not a copy, it's the orginal.

    There was some problem with there ratings a while back, I agreed, But if we went by lets say the IBF. They leave out all the other Champions (WBA, WBC, & WBO), plus several others, so that really isn't a true top 10.

    I do agreed that those fighters you had down, were pretty good.

    By the way, I have been up in the office of the IBF many times, in fact there Championship Belts and the WBO's are now made by a company that I am on the Board of Directors of.

    I also have all the Championship Belts (WBA, WBC, WBO & IBF), plus a John L. Sullivan Belt.
     
  6. lufcrazy

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    The reason I use the ring rankings is just through consistency.

    I have not checked out the rankings of the other belt holdes, nor do I wish to. Ring is the only recognised belt that ranks every all the fighters. That for me is enough to separate it from the others.

    Every ring champ today is the best in their division and no other belt can claim the same.

    Some other divisions don't have a recognised champ that should have imo: cunningham, pacman, gamboa, nishioka all are recognised as the premiere in their division also.
     
  7. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    :good
     
  8. edward morbius

    edward morbius Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Great job lufcrazy

    I have two picky pickys, one unimportant and one perhaps important.

    The unimportant--You list 13 names for Marciano but have him fighting 11 guys.

    Important?--You list Liston as 16-2 (14), but didn't Summerlin go the distance twice and Machen once. And Leotis Martin was in the yearly ratings both in 1968 and 1969, so that defeat should count. Makes Liston 16-3 with 13 ko's.

    *I only have the yearly ratings up to 1980 in an old Ring Record Book.
     
  9. lufcrazy

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    Thank you, I will look into both cases and amend away.

    I think I need also to include archie moore who was arguably the best hw in the world when patterson beat him.

    Once the school day is over i'll get onto it since i've prepared my lessons for the next few day so I should have plenty of time on my hands tonight.
     
  10. Benoit on Roids

    Benoit on Roids Active Member Full Member

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    Odlanier Solis was #10 when he fought Vitali Klitschko

    http://ringtv.craveonline.com/blog/...ate-sillakh-doesnt-crack-light-heavy-rankings


    Also add Adamek to Vitalis resume.
     
  11. hhascup

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  12. lufcrazy

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    To be fair, entering an online ranking for the week isn't impressive to me.

    Being published in the monthly rankings is the better criteria imo.
     
  13. Benoit on Roids

    Benoit on Roids Active Member Full Member

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    Yeah you're right.I understand what you mean.
     
  14. Benoit on Roids

    Benoit on Roids Active Member Full Member

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    Yes I agree too.I just assumed that you meant as long as a fighter was in the top ten even if it was for a week it would count:good

    Now if Wlad fought Holyfield,Toney and Oliver McCall in his bnext three fights that would certainly make his resume against former Champs/top ten fighters look very good:hey

    Great thread BTW.Interesting stuff.
     
  15. Benoit on Roids

    Benoit on Roids Active Member Full Member

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    Quick question.Where online can I see the Pre-Ring rankings?