HW resume against opponents who have, at one time or another, featured in the top 10.

hhascup

Henry, I am confused about something. I thought Conn gave up his lightheavy title in 1940 to campaign as a heavyweight. Anton Christoforidis defeated Melio Bettina in Jan of 1941 for the title and then Gus Lesnevich defeated Christoforidis in May, 1941. Conn was the #1 heavyweight contender when he fought Louis in June.

Where am I going wrong?

 

Your right about that But Conn was still recognized as the Light Heavyweight Champion by Ring Magazine before he fought Louis in 1941. This is just another eason why I included the Light Heavyweight Champions.

What is even worse is that Conn was out of boxing for over 4 years and was rated #1 when he fought Louis the 2nd time.

 

"Conn was still recognized as the Light Heavyweight Champion by Ring Magazine"

Thanks, Henry. Didn't know that.

 

I've done all that before. The most difficult thing is finding out who was rated at the time they fought them.

I also have lists of ratings that go all the way back to 1881, but there yearly ratings. The Ring Ratings started back in February 1925, and at 1st it was just yearly ratings as well.

 

That's the exception!

I have it both ways, if they were ever rated and when they were rated as well. Conn was rated #1 but didn't fight for over 4 years.

There a lot of boxers that were well past there prime and years since they were rated, that fought Champions as well.

Example:
Ali fought 49 fights against fighters that were rated in the top 10 at one time or another. He fought 37 times against fighters that were rated when he fought them.

 

Great Job LufCrazy!!

 

Hhascup:
Really like there's someone else who does that rating research, Somehow I have always been intrigued by it, I always had a problem going with Ring or the WBA, I also get the newspaper wires' of the times, and they usually used the WBA, Personally i'd say the Ring was better, until Don King got his mitts in them, But they really had no jurisdiction, like WBA- who were very biased, as Ranking Frazier from a much deserved #2 to #9-the Tournament of 67-68. And Charles Liston July 1969 #2 then next month #5 for no apparent reason!- Whom do you go by?? Ring has where they did not miss a month in their publications until late 1980's-WBA you did not know what they were going to do, And I thought Randy Gordon was one of the best, for World and International boxing, but they did not start their rankings until late 1971.-boxing illustrated- day late, dollar short, did like the top 50 thou-only reference for the prospects, and lesser knowns.

 

WOW , I CANNOT TELL IF THAT IS YOU OR ME, I'M NOT KIDDING, I'VE done Muhammad's like yours to the letter , I know I have not done Joe Louis opponents so i believe to be yours, I would like to use WBA buts its hard to get month to month every month, not like Ring which was gosphel! AND I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU HAVE SAID. . I have 1959-79 100 % ACCURATE . how would one get a copy of your findings Hhascup? AND Thanks for chiming in!

How are you MONTHLY ON THE WBA?, AND YES MUHAMMAD ALI 32-5 (20 KO RING) , AND 32-5 (19 KO WBA)
WBA WOULD TURN ME OFF LIKE FRAZIER #2 TO #9 . But like you said, newspapers favored WBA Ratings, Ring TOO some mostly -WBA

 

Great post

 

Hhascup: I have done about 30 heavyweights on here vs rated Top Ten Opponents, I call it 'Ten Count' -if you want to check them out. ON BOXING 24

Jerry Quarry 'Ten Count'

1967
Floyd Patterson - # 3- Draw 10
Floyd Patterson - # 5- Won 12

1968
Thad Spencer-# 2- Won KO 12
Jimmy Ellis - # 3- Lost 15 WBA

1969
Buster Mathis-# 6- Won 12
Joe Frazier - NYSAC Heavyweight Champion - LOSS 7

1970
Mac Foster - # 1- Won KO 6

1971
Jack Bodell-# 8- Won KO 1

1972
Larry Middleton - # 7- Won 10
Muhammad Ali - # 1- Lost KO 7

1973
Ron Lyle - # 3- Won 12
Earnie Shavers - # 6 - Won KO 1

1974
Joe Frazier - # 2- Lost KO 5

1975
Ken Norton - # 4- Lost KO 5

Overall record: 53-9-4 (32 KO)
Record vs. top 10 rated opponents : 8-5-1 (4 KO).

 

I woke up they other morning and realized, why the heck Muhammad Ali fought Evangelista when he could have fought undefeated Duane Bobick (Madison Square Garden) instead. Really Insert some more interest in the sport like only he could! --I say MSG because Bobick was being promoted there, and fought undercard of ALI VS DUNN vs Bunny Johnson in Munich! A lot prestige glamour and money , would have went through with that one.