HW TOP 10 h2h and achievement

You made a significant point of it, and used it as a slight against Holmes.

Others can make up their own mind :good

Shavers had him in bad trouble for 1/2 a round in 20+ or whatever it was. Granted it was BIG trouble but the fact that Holmes dominated almost every other second AND took such an awesome punch and came back to dominate is incredible. Shavers also had Ali close to out tho not as openly obvious as Holmes.

I respect Holmes had probs with many opponents, and accept it as a criticism. One's own perception will be pertinent here, but i see it as fighting down as i stated.

Here is EXACTLY what you said.

I totally stand by my original take, because you have definitely deviated from your original statement.

Whilst i accept the contrary, i stand by what i said as i personally think he would have in all likelihood have beaten him. That's how highly i rate the man.

 

I'm with ya. I think he could blow some of them out. His overwhelming early firepower would be hell for some.

 

Louis
Marciano
Ali
Foreman
Lewis
Dempsey
Frazier
Walcott
Holyfield
Tyson
Charles
Holmes
Jeffries
Johnson
Liston
Tunney
Baer
Schmeling

 

Didn't realise I'd spark a war :good

 

That's no war

 

He had him in trouble in both fights.

First: "I certainly don't agree that Holmes "in all likelihood" would have beaten Tyson. Sooner or later Tyson will proably land that right and then Holmes will have to survive against the greatest finisher since Louis. Not an easy task."

Second: "I think that Tyson would get to him with the right more often than not at some point, and when he did Holmes would have a job surviving."
... with added clarification: "But it's certainly not a given that he would be finished off, since his recuperative powers and survival isntincts perhaps were on par even with Tysons' finishing."

I don't see any "definite deviation" between these two. Saying that it's not an "easy task" to survive against Tyson when hurt, is not meant as Holmes wouldn't stand a chance doing it - rather it's aimed at that Holmes "in all likelihood" would beat Tyson.

 

When did he have him in trouble in the initial encounter? The shutout.

 

In round 2.

 

I know.....I meant in difference of opinion, I come here for a nice debate, unlike the General Forum

As I previously said though, 'that's what we're here for' and this has been a good one.

 

I RELAY DOUBT that bowe ranked higher than any Klitschko H2H or not

 

I can surely see an argument for rating Bowe over the Klits H2H. He was more skilled than Vitaly and had a better chin than Wlad.

 

not to mention bowe never quit on his stool while champion with 2 rounds to go

 

Well Wlad is a much better and more talented fighter than vitali. more heart too. So if hes ahead of wlad, then hes defintley ahead of vitali.