Hype and everything aside. At 135lbs Floyd or Loma?

I didn't say he had to move up to fight Crawford, I wanted him to stay at 130 and fight Berchelt. I'm saying since people in this thread are saying Loma beats PBF and easily at that, then why don't they want to see him beat Crawford since they are the same size but Crawford has shorter arms and isn't as good as PBF. But anytime Crawford's name is mentioned he's too big, Crawford is too big but PBF isn't??? Both fought at 135 at one time I don't get the logic.

 

Yeap making Floyd move up a weight class and fighting the top guy of that division instead dragging smaller dudes up and fighting for a vacant strap. He’s definitely taking the Floyd route. I don’t think Floyd was also only limited to WBO belts either. Floyd’s judged on higher standards. We already know this pal.

He’s not getting credit for Rigondeax fight or inactive Walters who had to lose 50 pounds before his match after getting robbed and shelved just because he asked for more money. Floyd took the harder route, accomplished so much more and this is why Floyd can sell more than anybody and is basically the most relevant fighter in all of combat sports and has a good footing in TMZ lol

 

At this current juncture in their careers there is a 12lb difference. If Crawford was at 135 I'd be in full agreement but he isn't.

 

Youre making my point for me.

He didn't fight those guys because they didn't exist.

So how does he really get ready for Loma having faced no style remotely like Loma's?

And yes, Loma didnt fight anyone exactly like Floyd. Thing is, I've seen Loma take apart and completely disarm a wider range of styles in a dozen fights than I saw Floyd do in 30, and in a one off scenario, the southpaw has the natural edge.

 

As I said in the beginning. His team doesn’t even want to move to meet Manny Pacquiao at a catchweight that’s tailored to Loma lmao

That’s like DG not wanting to fight Floyd. We know the truth people.

 

What you and others here are failing to realize is that PBF has a big advantage in size not only that he has much longer arms. I can't believe that people like you who actually know boxing keep failing to realize it and try to down play it as if it doesn't matter or it doesn't exist in this match up. Especially when considering you have PBF a guy who can fight tall with ATG accuracy and who can control range and dictate distance as well as he can. A good big man beats a good small man. That's the case right here.

 

He should have taken that Pac fight it was a fight that could have raised his profile. That was a huge mistake. Kinda like Pac fighting Oscar did for him and PBF fighting Oscar did for him.

 

The problem is often time, just HOW MUCH credit is one supposed to give? The floyd fans I've come across this board now and years ago, most were bandwagon jumping punks who only cared about floyd, or fighters who had his skin tone. Thankfully 90% of them are gone (Surprise? not really...).

Anyway, while i give you a hard time, you are good in my book. And I get what you are saying. But one has to admit, no matter how one felt about Floyd, he himself brought a lot of it on.

 

Who made Floyd move up?

 

If Lomachenko fought and beat Pacquiao you know damn well that YOU would give him no credit.

Pacquaio is done....he was done before Floyd beat him.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if Floyd won, and that's exactly why I've said I need to see what Loma looks like at 135 first against bigger fighters for that weight. I favor Loma at 130, but until I see that, Floyd gets the benefit of the doubt for me at 135.

The higher the weight, the bigger the benefit to Floyd because not only will he have grown in to his frame, but you get a more experienced, seasoned version of him. 130 champion Floyd was 22-23. I can't favor anyone that young at that weight over Loma. 135, and you start getting a more physically and mentally mature fighter.

 

Pac is so done, yet Loma got cold feet.

 

How'd he get cold feet?

He'd be in a no win situation whether he won or lost and Pacquiao is too busy on his farewell tour.

The fight would never have come off and once again it would of meant Lomachenko moving up 10 lbs when he is in the situation in which he does not need to.

I don't understand why you people want him to have to move up 10...12....17lbs in one fight to apparently "prove" himself when Floyd was never asked or assumed he had to to prove himself at the time.

 

And that’s why Floyd fought him. Lol

 

That's really big of you to accept Wlad being the best of his era. So how else could he possibly be rated? You get no points for stating the obvious. I accept FM being the best of his era but how that played out leaves a huge asterisk. I am not that stupid to not see the smoke and mirrors and to ignore the many criticisms and proven facts leveled against him. He delayed the MP fight by 5 years by accusing him to be doped up when he was the biggest doper the sport has ever seen. I have seen guys get caught twice but 4 and probably 5 times? I couldn't care less about either of them being doped up just that he was 100% the reason for the delay. If MP had fought him on the night he fought Cotto he would have khtfo just like Floyd senior said. "if he fights my son now with all that crazy **** he knocks him out''. MP was pumping out 100 punches a rd in those days and I don't buy that Floyd had a way of limiting an opponents punch output at least not with MP in 2009. Then he completely ****ed him when he did eventually fight him. MP missed sparing between 2 and 3 out because of the shoulder injury and really should have delayed the fight but there was no way he would risk losing the payday and the rest is history with the iv and denial of the toredol shot. With Loma no one cares about the Salido loss or the reach and height advantage which is all you got. Loma is the most skillful fighter any one has ever seen. As skillful as FM was this guy leaves him for dead. If you can't see it then ydksab. Just watch what happens in the next few years.