Hype and everything aside. At 135lbs Floyd or Loma?

All Pac had to do in 09 was agree to the same drug test he agreed to in 2015. Simple. And the Scared for his health talk was simply because Pacquaio wouldn't take the test. There were already numerous rumors swirling around that he was taking PEDS which judging by how successful he was against bigger men did look fishy. Even to the real die hard Pac fans.

 

This lack of power narrative being applied to Lomacheno is certanly a stretch but they use it on Usyk as well.

 

Lomachenko is superior to Void anyday!!!!!!!

 

It's a nice way if you lack enough reading comprehension to differentiate between favoring someone and saying they'll never lose.

Nobody's unbeatable, but I'm sure as heck not favoring a 21 year old Oscar whose title fights were against some Danish guy and Campanella over Loma, nor would I favor a Chavez at the very beginning of his reign. Loma outsmarts seasoned pros and master boxers and makes them look like nobodies; so, no, I don't think any kid's going to outsmart him, even if they are a beast. Whitaker made a better, older DLH look bad; i wouldnt bet a dime on a younger, more inexperienced version of Oscar against a defensive master that threw more.

Timing matters, and experience matters. Listen to Floyd himself when he's protecting Davis if you don't buy that. Floyd gets that putting a young hotshot in with Loma is a good way to ruin him, even if his fans don't.

Now get back to running the nightclubs.

 

floyd - no questions

loma lost to salido

 

More Hogwash. I wouldn't take any HW in history with 10 wins and 1 loss to 'out smart' or beat a 21 year old Mike Tyson.

Wilfred Benentiz was just 17 years old when he done what Loma has so far failed to do in becoming a lineal champion. Ray Leonard -Ring and Lineal WBC champ at 23. Roberto Duran was 21 when he won his first title against Buchanan.. Does Loma beat Duran too?

If you wanna get down to brass tax here , Loma's best wins at 130 were against one dimensional , C levelers who lacked the mental fortitude to be in tough fights. Walters being inactive before the fight and not been seen since hardly makes that a win worth talking about anymore.
Whitaker was comprehensively beaten by Hoya but i guess Loma > Whitaker , right?

And who are these 130/135 pound 'seasoned pro's ' you speak of? He was beaten by Salido and hasn't shown any great effort to fight Berchelt , but he beats a Hoya and a Chavez Sr regardless? Based off beating Roman Martinez and Jason freaking Sosa? Go jump off a bridge buddy.
Hoya on fight night will dwarf Loma and his strength , power , speed and combination would be unlike anything he has faced so far.
If you put that Rigo in with young Hoya he'd be carried out the ring feet first off a Hoya jab. I watched Loma all over him on the inside for 7 rounds and fail to land a single hurtful blow. Those are the wrong tactics to use on ATGs who'll chop you in half.
You do a good job in making people argue against Loma , or maybe thats your intention.

 

Gary Russell Jr. is arguably just as fast as Camacho was. Speed is the most overrated thing in boxing. Skill, power, chin and conditioning are way more important than speed. Being fast can work wonders for you against weak champs and contenders. But at the highest level some guy will time that speed and crack you hard with a power shot and then you won't know what to do if all you have is speed.

Also yes Loma does completely school a green Oscar at 130 pounds. If you circle to Oscar's left he's finished. Now Loma may have a lot of difficulty doing that to a prime WW version of DLH. Actually Oscar would be too big and he'd KO Loma there. But a smaller more inexperienced version of Oscar at 130. Loma just circles away from DLH's big left hook. And the fight is in the bag for a near shutout UD for Loma.

Pacquiao showed that against DLH all you need to do is circle from DLH's left. Which is easier said than done, but Loma could realistically do it with ease against a green DLH. Loma has the quickest feet I've seen in an elite fighter since prime Pac.

 

Who finished Hoya by circling to his left?

 

Whitaker DLH was only competitive in an amateur style sense. Where it's just punches landed. DLH landed the hard clean punches that did the damage. This is pro boxing. Relatively wide decision for DLH was well deserved.

 

Pac did. DLH couldn't touch him because Pacquiao kept circling away from DLH's left hook.

 

Maybe , maybe not. One thing is for sure though and its that Hector was a lot bigger than Russell and moves faster therefore would make his speed and power count a lot more than Russell. Hector has a longer reach than Russell too.

 

Id rather not reply to this silliness.

 

Why is DLH your favorite fighter or something? Every single fighter in the history of the sport has a weakness. No matter how great they are. DLH's happens to be his lack of stamina though that's a minor one. But his major kryptonite is if you circle to his left he can't land his left hook which is his money maker. That's exactly what Pacquiao did to him. Now DLH was shot against Pac and his body was finished. But I still pick Loma to circle away from DLH's left hand at 130 pounds.

Want to know Pac's weakness? Land a hard straight right hand a few times. Now all of a sudden he's not bouncing in and out all night long peppering you with ease like he did to Barrera.

Every fighter has a weakness bro. Which makes it completely asinine to call any fighter unbeatable.

 

A young technical fighter has a better chance at upsetting a prime and seasoned veteran. But I'd give say a 21 year old bruiser/pressure/brawler type fighter much less a chance at pulling off an upset over a vet like Loma. Fighters who rely on their physicality almost always peak around age 25-30 when their physical attributes can be best used to overwhelm their opponent. Think Roy Jones or Manny Pacquiao. A technician can be much less reliant on his physical tools than an athletic fighter would be. And can give great performances outside of their physical prime.