Hype and everything aside. At 135lbs Floyd or Loma?

Pac vs Prime Hoya is a totally different argument and i wouldn't rule out a Pac win at all , but Pac brought factors like brute hitting power and explosiveness that Loma does not have. Do you think Loma could beat a 130/135 Pacman?

 

I don't know and right now I'd heavily favor Pacquiao to beat Loma in his prime. The only guy to beat a prime Pacquiao was an ATG like Erik Morales. Who used a sturdy chin and well timed power right to win 7 rounds against Pacquiao. And JMM also was competitive against a prime Pac despite never winning. And he used the same formula which is a sturdy chin and a well timed power right hand.

That's the only formula we've seen used to success against Manny Pacquiao during his prime years. Loma doesn't have nearly as much power in his right as those two fighters do even though his right hand is his power hand. And we don't know how good his chin is because it's never been tested.

That said, Loma does some things that Morales and Marquez can't. But in order for Loma to beat Pac he wouldn't be able to use the same gamplan as Morales. Because he can't hit nearly as hard as Erik. And his chin is probably not as good either because almost nobody's chin was as good as Erik's.

 

And Floyd actually lost to Castillo and also lost several times before his Olympic loss So he actually lost a good amount more times than Loma has throughout his boxing career. Not a good idea to bring up L’s between these two. Lol

 

That's what really burns me about the Floyd/Castillo and Loma/Salido dynamic on here. Take all the judging and poor officiating away and just watch thos etow fights scoring legal punching and Loma did better against Salido in his second pro fight than Floyd vs Castillo in his 30th or whatever.

 

Floyd can’t fight on the inside for ****. He got bullied by Castillo, Hernandez, Maidana, Cotto, DLH etc. Loma was stronger than the far bigger Salido, he was just overwhelmed at times by the combinations to his genitals.

 

You don’t want a discussion because you can’t handle the facts. The judges say that Floyd has been outboxed in many rounds, and had many close fights. The objective fans know that Floyd is lucky not to have a handful of losses. You have the opinion that doesn’t align with the facts. You just look at that fortunate zero with a hard on instead of understanding boxing and being honest.

 

Loma by decision.

 

So Crawford was outboxed for a few rounds by an undefeated gold medallist and yet you give Floyd a pass for losing more rounds to Augustus, Hernandez, Castillo, Judah etc.? Right..... At least be consistent with your delusions.

 

You’ve got nothing to say. Judah knocked him down and made him look foolish for the first four rounds of that fight. Corrales and Canelo are both plodders, obviously they can’t land the punches Lomachenko could. Those guys were stylistically made for Floyd. Why couldn’t Floyd dominate Castillo and Maidana? Why did DLH outbox Floyd for the first half of that fight?
You seem to have no concept of styles, and to say that Floyd is arguably the best defensive boxer ever is just laughable.

 

Zab never knocked pbf down. Zab is a frontrunner who is usually always dangerous early. With that said they split the first 4 rounds and zab won the last because pbf didnt engage.

Canelo sure didnt look like a plodder against ggg now did he? For a seek and destroy fighter like ggg he sure couldnt cut the ring off on him now could he?

Pbf was 37 and past his prime against maidana and was hurt going into his 1st fight with jlc. In the rematch he won going away.

Pbf fought oscar with a stacked deck in a weight class hes never looked good at in his 5th weight class. He still clearly beat an atg in oscar. Lets see if loma can get to his 5th weightclass which would be 147 and fight lets say Spence and see how he looks if you want to play that game. Loma wouldn't make it out of the 3rd round

Lastly you saying pbf isnt a great defensive fighter is ****ing hilarious and one of the dumbest things i have ever heard on this forum along with you saying loma is stronger than pbf. If thats the case why are all his opponents held to career low connect%? Or is that just luck? Why do other boxers and trainers talk about his defense? I guess they dont know **** and you know more than them? Lmfao!!!! What other dumb **** will you say next? Pbf wasnt a good counter puncher? Stop it!

 

LMAO. He actually said that.

 

@Pimp C

I don't completely agree with the Spence/DLH comparison and Floyd/Loma moving up. Oscar came up from 130 to win titles all the way to 154. He turned pro at 19 so I don't think that was his natural weight, but still.

Spence won his first title at 147 and is a huge weight cutter and does everything he can to keep weight off his frame. He's a bigger man than DLH is.

That said, I have my doubts about Loma moving up to 147 pounds. He's too short and weak to go that high. His punches will have no effect on his opponents and he doesn't fight off the back foot which is can be effective if you are the smaller quicker man.

Shawn Porter would maul him. Loma would be trying his best to find some breathing room and relief, but there will be none.

 

Floyd is a great counter puncher. His opponents have a low connect percentage because Floyd does everything he can to avoid a fight breaking out. If he tried to fight like Lomachenko he would get wrecked. Your defense isn’t considered good because you avoid contact. On the inside Floyd is a poor mans Toney. On the outside he is Andre Dirrell.

 

Holy crap this thread is still running?!

 

You circle to Oscars left you're getting knocked out by his left hook, nimrod. You'd have to circle to his right to at least try to get away from it. At 130-147 his kryptonite was an under developed right hand, which fighters with skills often took advantage of by countering him on the outside before they either got KOED or decisioned.