Hypocrisy of Loma fans

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by The Ogdoad, Dec 13, 2018.


  1. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Like I said if it was Easter, Hooker, Stevenson, Ohara Davies, Postol would be the top guys in their divisions.
     
  2. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Leonard vs Hearns, Ward vs Kovalev, Martinez vs Williams, Garcia vs Easter, Canelo vs Lara (very debatable), we have so many examples where a shorter guy has over come a reach advantage by using his IQ.
     
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  3. Monogamous STD

    Monogamous STD Ya know, Quasimoto predicted all this. Full Member

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    I'm a fan of Loma and Davis (as fighters) and never trashed Pedraza or called him a top notch operator. He's a very good fighter though. I don't see why it has to be if you're a Lomachenko fan, you must not be a Davis fan-you have to be a Davis detractor. If you're a Joshua fan, you must hate on Wilder. If you're a Ward fan, you must be the type that trashes Kovalev. This is fan demographic paranoia.
     
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  4. Cafe

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    Ward never faced skilled guys with long arms. Froch, Kessler were good fighters but they weren't technicians. I'm not going to count Dawson because that was a farcical fight and everyone knows it.

    Now look at one fight where he had a decent boxer (not even a top tier skillwise) who had longer arms than him (and not even by a big margin). Kovalev. What happened in the first fight? He struggled. Most people thought lost. Was Kovalev a better boxer than he is? No. But he made it supremely difficult for Ward pretty much entirely off of having longer arms and knowing how to use the reach. Same happened with Hopkins as well, yes Hopkins was over the hill but Kovalev shut him out for 12 rounds. He didn't beat him up. He outboxed him. Even though Hopkins has always been known as a master boxer.

    Hearns and Leonard, didn't SRL struggle and was forced to change his tactics purely because of that fact as well? Reach is one of the biggest advantages you can have in a fight. That's why everyone gets hyped when they see Hearns-like guys because they know the potential of having that physique. You can't simply take away reach like you can take away power either. As long as you're more skilled than another fighter, his power will be nullified by the simple fact he'll have difficulty landing on you cleanly. To take away a big reach advantage against a fighter who knows how to use it, is a different matter altogether. You either have to be FAR more skillful or you're forced to fight, it's as simple as that.
     
  5. Cafe

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    One good example is Mayweather-McGregor. The best boxer of our generation versus a guy who doesn't even participate in the sport. That fight shouldn't have even been competitive, Mayweather should have been simply easily been able to outbox McGregor Gatti style.. But he struggled for the first few rounds and was even forced to adopt a more bully style to wear him out. This is how big of a deal it is.
     
  6. JacK Rauber

    JacK Rauber Unbourboned by what has been Full Member

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    I would love to see a David-Loma fight at 130. Love it. Let's see who has what it takes.

    I just rewatched the highlights of the Pedraza-Davis fight. Pedraza was stupid with the macho exchanges with Davis. He played right into Davis' strengths. Loma would be much more clever in how he approaches Davis. Want to see this fight happen.
     
  7. lighteningjab

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    This. End thread.
     
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  8. lighteningjab

    lighteningjab Member Full Member

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    He sounds like he is trying to convince himself. He sounds demented actually.
     
  9. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Why aren’t you counting Dawson when Dawson was the lineal champ at 175 at the time, Ward never forced Dawson down, Dawson called Ward out so if it’s farcical then it’s Dawson’s fault.

    I don’t care if the shorter fighters struggles and makes adjustments to beat the longer fighter. It’s the IQ of the fighter which allows him to manage the job. Kovalev was a p4p feared puncher the fact Ward was able to beat him at all is a great achievement coz he was fighting a heavier also skilled puncher. You don’t try and box a skilled length guy you try to fight him, so if Loma comes up against an Easter that is what he will have to do. Pedraza isn’t even an A level fighter, like a Mikey or Loma.