Hypocrisy regarding Bute has reached new hights of stupidity

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  1. BeastsideBoxing

    BeastsideBoxing "The Thrill" Gavril Full Member

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    So I'm gonna ask you to make me understand why the hell you would be against Bute fighting the Super Six winner.
    I hear guys complaining about Bute being on the outside of the tournament and that they believe that was like a free pass to the "real final". I thought that your most used words "fighting the best" is the best thing so, what?
    You don't think Bute vs The S6 winner isn't at least as good as the great S6 fights where the best fought the best like:

    "Almighty" Green vs "Love Hugging " Ward
    or
    "Forrest Gump" Dirrell vs Froch "The Destroyer"
    or
    "Drained but Game" Johnson vs "Busted my ear Second Gear" Froch

    What would you call a fight between an undefeated champion with 9 defenses of his title and who constantly been in top3 SMW from 2007 till the end of 2011 and going? Last time Bute was ranked outside of top 3 was before his fight with Then the IBF World Champion Alejandro Berrio, back then the Romanian/Canadian was ranked at #4.

    I keep hearing he doesn't deserve it, because he didn't fought some guys like those who've been in the super six, he needs to prove himself.
    Really now?! That's your and soon to be their excuse? I heard it from Ward's coach, so I'm almost certain if Ward wins , we won't get to see him against Bute, not right away. Froch keeps telling us Bute ain't ****, he doesn't rate him. Really?! Because every other boxing journalist or boxing expert, trainers, and all the boxing websites DO, as much as some may hate him, they still ****ing DO rate him. Do you even believe your own bull**** mr Froch cuz in the last interview I listen with you, your subtle praising Bute until you start bashing him... hmmm. To many punches to the head?... or just pure hate and stupidity, mouth talking and brain being to lazy to do his work.

    And you keep forgetting that from those Eight, yes eight.. I've counted who've been in the Super Six only 3 should we call elite(Ward,Froch,Kessler) and 1 is yet to decided in what category to put him (Dirrell)- to green to scared to raw to stupid - maybe he can grow up, and all the others being actually beat in a clearly way by Bute (Johnson).
    Aww.. don't forget Dirrell and Kessler who where out of the S6 were injured, needing tune-ups and then either being blackballed by every tv network that airs boxing or Just taking another easier route (Stieglitz-WBO). Make the same offer to Bute ms Kessler, at least give it a try, so we could decide for ourself who's ducking who, OK? ...otherwise shove your Danish Crown in your Danish ***.

    For the ones who were left - Green*,Abraham and Taylor - they were either out of their best weight class, shot, to raw, to hyped, or not having enough talent from the get go*. Not really to be called "Super".
    And not much above the names that been beat by Bute like:
    Berrio,Bika,Andrade,Magee.

    So who does Bute needs to fight to prove you idiots that he deserves to fight the Super Six winner? Remember Kessler is the one who took another route not Bute, I don't really care if Kessler wanted to wait for a Bute fight to be bigger with 2 belts on a table and in the same time have another tune-up a more serious one than whatever his name was, or just wanted to wait to directly take the big cheese cake that the S6 winner is.Bute tried and as bad as the offer you may think it was(I would at least call it decent) he still has done more than the other party, only by trying.

    So in the end.. you would prefer a super six winner: Ward to fight a **** opponent who obviously doesn't deserve it more than Bute, because he doesn't deserve a "free pass".... A FREE PASS ?

    Did Ward deserved a spot in the super six and a shot at Kessler title with his resume back then. Nobody complained then.
    Did Dirrell deserved a spot in the super six and a shot at Froch title with his resume back then. Again nobody complained about it.
    Did Green deserved a fight with Ward more than Bute, not really.
    But why is Bute the only one who has to deserve it. The one who need to prove himself worthy.
    If Froch wins the Super Six he will be ranked above everybody but taking in consideration his fight against Kessler, and the fact that he didn't faced Bute I still would no know who is the best fighter in this division. And as for Ward, the same, he will be ranked above everybody but there will still be a #2 standing tall, and if Bute has a fight with Froch and beat him, he has no case at all in claiming he's the best fighter in the division.
     
  2. Uncle Rico

    Uncle Rico Loyal Member Full Member

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    Could you separate your paragraphs a little more, please?

    Not read it all yet, but I agree there is a certain level of unfairness/hypocrisy directed towards Bute.
     
  3. Sidious

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    they were all expecting for bute to make a fool out of himself against johnson.now that he made johnson his valet they came back with even more hate for bute,knowing he is that good,knowing he will make ward and froch look like two dancers from balshoi theatre
     
  4. PrinceN

    PrinceN Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Whatever once War wins the Super 6 Bute can fight Ward. Ward will beat the crap out of him
     
  5. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    :lol:

    ESB on Froch after the Johnson fight: Is Froch almost an ATG with his resume now?

    ESB on Bute after the Johnson fight: Bute is the most overrated fighter on the planet.

    :blood
     
  6. pirao666

    pirao666 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    There are a lot of idiots here, plain and simple. They were predicting Johnson to be competitive with Bute, and after Bute made them look like fools, instead of giving him credit they hate even harder, I guess people don't like looking like idiots :deal
     
  7. BeastsideBoxing

    BeastsideBoxing "The Thrill" Gavril Full Member

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    Bute, 30, fought two fights in a row on Showtime, in late 2008 and early 2009, but he was not invited to join the Super Six when Hershman put it together in July 2009. Hershman said his exclusion was nothing against Bute. He said the tournament was very difficult to put together and "the only way to get five promoters and six fighters on the same page was within the existing relationships I had. It wasn't that I didn't think [Bute and Bedard] were worthy or trustworthy. I just didn't have the depth of the relationship I had with the others."

    Bedard and Bute were disappointed that Showtime left him out, but that's in the past, they said.

    Source:http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=5769178
     
  8. olyalex

    olyalex Manos de piedra Full Member

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    Bute clearly deserves to fight the winner of the S6! I wish Interbox had made some better choices in picking his fights, but you have to be stupid to not see the great skill level of Bute! I blame Interbox alot for the hate Bute is getting, and I am afraid that they will feed Allan Green to Bute next, thats why they put him on the undercard. Anyway Bute if Bute will fight Froch soon, he will beat the **** out of him, Froch will eat his counters all night.
     
  9. BeastsideBoxing

    BeastsideBoxing "The Thrill" Gavril Full Member

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    Kessler is the only fighter up there who could claim that deserves as much as Bute a shot at the Super Six winner. I don't care that much anymore who Bute fights the winner or the runner-up just one of them. Kessler can have the winner as long the one who wins that fight don't run away later.

    You would prefer for the winner of the super six instead of fighting Bute because he isn't worthy or Kessler because he beat him once(Ward) or he thinks he beat him already(Froch), to go up to LHW and leave things unsettled. I would hate it.
     
  10. laffie

    laffie Montreal Full Member

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    That's ridiculous. Ward didn't beat the crap out of Allan Green. He may win but come on, that surely wouldn't be easy. If one rocks the other, Ward wil be the one rocked.
     
  11. Skilletscuz

    Skilletscuz mma champ Ronda Rousey Full Member

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    lol, its really been a little on both sides...

    As a Bute fan, ive been annoyed for a long time for doubters & haters... you can see what he's capable of, regardless whether he's proved it or not. I think the doubters & haters had gotten so caught up with his weak "record", that they were already biased w/o even watching him perform. And that has continued...

    Now, since he got a decisive win vs a pretty legit opponent, its been a cork blown off the bottle! I think a little TOO much over-reaction going on around here. Glen Johnson is definitely is best competition to date (though Bika can be debated there, though he face a not re-made version that Ward faced) , but not the level of competition that should be parallel to his.... only till then he has bravely & truly challenged and proven his talent and abilities.

    I still have him as #1 SMW, until there's a Super6 finale winner. Once he fights and beats either, Ward, Froch, or Kessler, then he can reclaim the #1 spot. I still consider him to be the best SMW until he matches and loses to either one of them.
     
  12. BeastsideBoxing

    BeastsideBoxing "The Thrill" Gavril Full Member

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    For those who think the Super Six was needed so much balls to say yes to, really needs to think better after taking in consideration all the facts.

    1 You could make it to the semifinals with only 1 win(Johnson) and have a 4th nice payday
    2 You had a guaranteed 3 big paydays
    3 You had multiple chances to get a belt, or to win one back if you entered with one and lost it
    4 You would have 3 live aired fights on Showtime in US , good for prospects as Ward and Dirrell who become known overnight, and open doors for in the US market for Kessler,Froch and Abraham of course if they performed well.
    5 You would have a live show that would present you to the US market in detail and would let them know you better. Camp 360

    For any good fighter this is a dream, even for the **** ones this is a dream mega payday.
    How many could pretend they are good like Green and be able to be **** in one fight and still get a lot of cash in the next one right away.

    Kessler and Dirrell careers are far from over. They can have big fights, they can climb back to the top, much easier for Kessler. Dirrell kind of hang himself out, for some reason Sowtime were probably never presented with the proves of the injury, and his antecedents like declaring he didn't care it was a boring fight he get payed like a (forgot the word) ... didn't helped him. Dirrell soon he will still get some good fights.
    The only losers are Taylor who honestly would've done better against Ward and won a little more credibility, but was unfairly pushed aside making place for the great Allan Green, and Abraham who's trainer never improved as much as he should the powerful and scaring punching monster that he had, he's been put at a weight in where he had physically disadvantages and with big flaws who weren't fixed by an ignorant trainer.
     
  13. Badlok

    Badlok Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Amen Beast , really good Threads :good
     
  14. DDDUUDDDEE

    DDDUUDDDEE Undisputed Ambien (taker) Full Member

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    I admit I've been a big Bute doubter... he's slowly winning me over though. If he fights outside of Canada a few times and takes on the Super Six winner next year then I'll officially be a fan.
     
  15. drozzy

    drozzy AERE Full Member

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    Plausible considering the S6 finalists will want a decent lay off after the fight, and considering Kessler-Stieglitz will happen around April. Would suck big time though, Green is of no value added to Bute's record.

    Anyone thinks Sauerland would entertain putting Bute-Green on the Kessler-Stieglitz undercard? Could set up Bute-Kessler in case a S6 final rematch is needed.

    Oh, and we could see Bute KTFO2 Green. :D

    Otherwise... shot-beyond-shot Taylor (who's taking a tune-up late Dec)? Taylor will most likely be "ready" for a top SMW earlier than Dirrell will (if at all, in Dirrell's case).

    Beast - great thread. Bute gets P4P the most unwarranted hate on here. You go back to 2007-08, and Bute was considered a good, tough boxer who took [then considered big SMW puncher] Berrio's rights well in his 1st title fight. Froch was also "up there" with Berrio in terms of raw punching power, no dice for Bute at the time.

    I think Froch will lose to Ward... worst case scenario there is obviously Froch fighting Kessler in Nottingham for the WBO belt, Ward getting a softy in Oakland for a homecoming defense, with Bute left to fight low top-10's again.