Hypothetical questtion re. Haye

Naaa.

Tyson x 2
Bowe x 1
Foreman x 1

That right there is better than the Klitschko's, however due to styles, size and chin issues, its perhaps a harder achievement for Haye to pull off.

 

Tyson was Holy's best accomplishment, but that version of Tyson would have been beaten by both Klitschkos. Bowe beat Holy twice when he was in shape, Holy won by the smallest margin and under the most bizarre circumstances. That version of Foreman was lucky against Axel Schulz, who was beaten to a pulp by Wlad. These accomplishments were NOT bigger than beating both Klitschkos in consecutive fights, especially gievn that Holy lost numerous fights in between these wins.

 

The Klitschkos aren't in the same league as Tyson, Lewis, Bowe or Foreman. The comparisons of what Haye may or may not do lack validity.

 

He beat Tyson, Moorer, Bowe, Ruiz, Mercer, Rahman, Tyson's conquerer Douglas, Dokes..sure he lost some but thats a fine list of wins over current, former and future champs and titlists. Was recently robbed against Valuev.

Wlad has comparable record to Lewis to a point...except he has only avenged one loss and he lost to a arguably weaker level of opponant, thus has not had the run of dominance over the division Lewis had.

I find myself being a little harsh on Vitali sometimes, his record is pretty good and it more or less speaks for itself...but he has essentially been a part timer for the best part of a decade with how little he has fought due to injuries etc.

Holy's heavyweight career will still kill Haye's even if David gets past Wlad...though a win over Vitali will bring it a lot closer, as there is no doubt they are the two best fighters in the division at the moment.
You also have to consider that Holy's cruiser form and record is also superior to Haye's IMO.

 

Well he probably does only have a 1% chance of beating himself. You love him really Farmy, you can't get him out of your head.

 

Not as legitimate as many think because his punch resistance at HW is gonna be somewhere between Herbie Hide and Tommy Morrison.

 

man, that was hillarious!

 

The Foreman Holyfield beat was not the Foreman in the Schulz fight, that Foreman was more dangerous. And in their primes, Bowe, Lewis, and Holyfield would have beaten the Ukranian giants.

 

Wlad will win by KO.

 

I wholeheartedly agree

Come on, he lost to Ross Purrity of all people, who drew with Tommy Morrison!

Which is why the division was, and still is somewhat, in a state of "Damn you, Vitali Klitschko", he could have cleaned up had he stayed. BVy the way, since he filled the championship vacancy left by Lennox Lewis by beating Corrie Sanders, wouldn't he still be the lineal champ?

Again, this is true. Haye will never be as great a legend, should he beat the Kiltschkos and others, as Holyfield.

 

I think Haye has a 40% chance of beating him. Then again, Sanders, Brewster, Purrity did it, so Haye definitely has a chance for an upset.

 

Interesting that you mention Moorer, Ruiz, Bowe. Holyfield is 3 - 4 - 1 against these three, so that's three wins against four losses and one draw. We are talking about Haye beating the Klits each one in the first attempt, probably in consecutive fights. Holyfields career at HW was a rollercoaster, great wins followed by losses and mediocre wins. And why the **** to you mention Douglas? That version of Douglas had nothing in common except for the name with the man who beat Tyson. Any decent HW in shape would have knocked that version of Douglas out.

 

Actually, Evander Holyfield pulled off the feat in exactly 25 fights.

 

The only way I see Haye winning this is by knockout before round 3. I think if he can't do it then, Wlad is going to get into a rhythm and pick him apart with the jab and straight right. I can see what Haye is trying to do with attempting to wind Wlad up so much he fights angry, but Wlad is to much the consumate professional to let that happen.

I'm going with Wlad late knockout.

 

Arguably my butt. There might be an argument that Sanders or Brewster are as good as Rahman and McCall, but it's a stretch, and Purrity is about 10 levels down from any of them. Also, the top level competition that Lewis faced was much better than the top level competition Wladimir has faced. It's not really Wlad's fault (I'm hard pressed to think of who he SHOULD have fought but hasn't), but the heavyweight division has been undeniably weaker in the 2000s than it was in the 1990s. Lewis probably has 3 or 4 better wins than Wladimir's best win. Sadly, it looks like the heavyweight division might improve again in the next 4 - 5 years, just in time for the tail end of Klitschko's career (or possibly after he retires).

I agree with most of the rest of what you said though.