Hypothetical situation...

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Amsterdam, Aug 22, 2007.


  1. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    *IF* Jermain Taylor does not get KOed by Kelly Pavlik, but also clearly loses a competitive fight and gets the decision yet again...

    Would that make Taylor the new Sven Ottke?:think
     
  2. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    I'm not sure...all I know is that I will be extremely upset if Pavlik appears to have clearly win and Taylor regains his belts.

    If he wins on points, but it is well deserved, I wont mind.

    As far as the next Ottke? Maybe, except Taylor is a better fighter, in my view, than Ottke
     
  3. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    If he doesn't get KOed, but gets another bogus decision, he'd at least on his way to getting 10 defences, with most of the big ones being fraudulent 'victories', much like Ottke. Do you know why? Because if he can take Pavlik's punches and make it to the final bell, he most likely wins by decision, even if Pavlik 'beats' him by rounds technically.

    You had to KO Ottke to win, with his running style it was difficult, if Taylor turns out to have a better chin than we're predicting and can take a hard hitting MW's best, then it's likely all he has to do is coast down the stretch to be given the decision or a draw.

    This is very similiar to Sven Ottke's run and Taylor could be considered his American counterpart if this happens, even though you have to give Taylor more credit in taking on better opponents than Ottke did.

    However....

    Both Ottke and Taylor have avoided Joe Calzaghe challenges, so...:rofl

    Don't see the similiarities?
     
  4. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    No doubt that he's better than Ottke, at least Taylor 'normally' pushes the fight.
     
  5. compukiller

    compukiller Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If Taylor gets yet another early X-Mas gift, I will kick his ass myself. :twisted:
     
  6. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    I don't think Taylor has avoided Calzaghe. I just think he's trying to make his mark at 160 first...he's fought Winky and B-Hop and now is fighting Kelly Pavlik. Let's wait until he's done at middleweight
     
  7. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Taylor KO2 Calzaghe.
     
  8. Sai

    Sai Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ottke is an ATG for the comic KO of Bumdine. Taylor will never achieve something so awesome in his entire career. Hes a wanabee Ottke
     
  9. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Pavlik KO 5 Taylor.:good
     
  10. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I think on recent showings you would have to make Pavlik favourite.

    Here is the thing though; Taylor looks desperate to counter-punch. Pavlik is NOT the all out warrior guys are making him out to be. This will be another stinker - and Taylor's becoming expert - in all seriousness - at winning that type of fight.

    Of course, if I'm proved wrong and Pavlik comes with serious pressure we have a different fight on our hands.
     
  11. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Micky - You have to understand that if little Ouma can back Taylor up and get his game out of whack, only to land his feather dusters, that Kelly Pavlik being a big hard punching MW with a good workrate also is going to do the same.. it's just a matter if Taylor's chin cracks like I am predicting.

    Taylor can't deal with pressure at all, it's his undoing.
     
  12. huki

    huki huk huk ^_^;; Full Member

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    If that happened, this place would go absolutely nuts. I wasn't here during the Vitali-Lewis match, but I imagine it could be a bigger bitchfest than that if the fight was a very close, but clear win for Pavlik and he still lost. No one cares about Ottke, especially in the U.S. and he's not high profile like Taylor, so I don't think that's a good comparison.

    I would almost love to see Taylor get another gift decision, just to see what would happen in here. The hate for him would be unreal. The controversial Hopkins and Winky fights, followed by two embarassing performances against junior middleweights, and then to top it off a clear gift decision against an up and coming undefeated white fighter? God damn..
     
  13. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Well we'll see - but I wonder just how much pressure Pavlik can bring here. Against Miranda it was obvious (though very brave) because Miranda was a momentum fighter, he's not getting of unless he's moving in.

    Here it's different.
     
  14. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    As much as I want to see Taylor brutally KOed, I think this would actually do more for the sport because it may cause a fan outrage and a crackdown on these ridiculous gift decisions.

    I feel personally that some decisions should be overturned, especially if the public is universal on it, meaning 90% like the Chavez-Whitaker or Dlh-Sturm, Ottke-Reid type of events. These are universally regarded robberies.

    But I'd love to see the brutal criticism of 100 Amsterdam/Zakman/Compukiller type of Taylor critics on here also, even though I hope he gets KOed.:rofl
     
  15. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Both unfold under effective pressure. Think about Kassim Ouma, the little overrated 154 pound pressure swarmer and what happened that night.