I’m positive Holyfield would’ve beaten Tyson in 91

No, Ali would not hit as hard as Foreman, but he'd hit way harder than he did.

 

Holyfield is especially freaky given how long he kept fighting at an Elite level. So many fighters are done by 38 (or earlier, look at Frazier and Bowe).

 

Tyson was in best shape for Tillis who was coming from layoff because he survived KO lose in 1st round by Spoon.Tyson was in the best shape of his life and had Rooney in his corner so no excuses here.
Tyson had that injury 5 moths before acutal fight and that nothing more than sored foot and that was like 5 months before fight do no excuses here unlike Tillis who was in bad shape and suffered KO lose in 1st round.He didn't wom very easy and it could be a draw.
Your analogies are moronic since Mike did faced 38 years old who was in worst shaped of his life!
That Hmes was fat,sick,overweight,came from2 years layoff and take fight in 2 weeks notice.Even beffore layoff he was weak mentaly and had two losses.
42 Holmes who faced Holyfield was alot better since he had 5 fights to warm and won ahainst Mercer and was in great shape and alot better and more prepared.
I could use a proof that Tillis as himself stated was in best shape for Holyfield fight and Holyfield beat him in 5 rounds.
Or I could use a proof that he beat Douglas in 3 rounds.
Or I could use a proofhe beat alot strobger Bowe/Foreman whom Tyson ducked.

 

There is no proof he punched harder. And although he was slightly more defined in terms of muscle, he was roughly the same size.

He did not have better offense. Being and stupid head hunter does not mean he had better offense.
A 88 Tyson was more composed and picked his shots, a 96 one was more chaotic and swinged wildly a lot of the time.

I agree older Ali had more power and a better chin and I'll add that he was also more smart and fought more dirty.
But that does not necessarily make him better. Older Ali also has decreased speed and reflexes and less stamina.
Young Ali would not have got hit so much like 70s Ali.

 

His KO ratio proves otherwise.

 

It all depends on which accomplishments you put more weight on. Both fighters did a lot.

 

Holyfield was like Archie Moore in that respect.

 

His Ko against bums like Ferguson,Mercedes and Scaff?
Shavers proves his record on rral HOFamers who were alot better than those big bumds.
Hell 42 years old Shavers knocked Simms faster than young Tyson.

 

The real question is did Holyfield accomplish more than Billy Miske? I say no.

 

How much of an idiot can you be !?????
So you're telling me that if a boxer doesn't prepare properly he should still be just as good and in his prime cause he is young ?!?
Are you really that STUPID ?!????

No, they are documented FACTS you ******.

He had to eat soup and salad in order to drop weight you imbecile. That takes a toll on your body.

He trained for them cause he understood he might loose again if he didn't. He didn't take them lightly like he did with Douglas.
And he was not the same although he won. Rooney Tyson would not have eaten so many punches from Ruddock.

Clueless imbecile, when he was with Rooney he almost didn't get hit at all. After that, he started getting hit more and more.
His amazing defense was the main reason for his success. Clueless moron.
And his best performance was against Stewart ?!?? This just shows how stupid you are.

Douglas was overweight for Holyfield and not prepared, anyone could see that, yet you ****** insist he was in good shape. Can't you see how stupid you are.
And your facts are garbage, you make them up.
Douglas was 231 pounds against Tyson and 228 against Tucker, so that's only 3 pounds difference, not 15, like he was against Holyfield. Clueless imbecile.

Douglas was a good boxer and had good fundamentals. The fact that he was never that dedicated and didn't achieve his full potential is a different thing altogether.
And Tucker was a great boxer, a world champ, not a journeyman, the way an idiot like you thinks.

Again, you prove that you are a CLUELESS IDIOT.
Douglas's mother died 23 days before the Tyson fight, how is that "long before", you imbecile ?!??
Douglas never gave boxing everything up until his mother died, he promised her he'd beat Tyson.
And he never got along very well with his father, although his father was the one who introduced him to boxing. After he lost to Tucker, Douglas had an argument with his father and they split. Douglas got himself a new team and trainer.

Not the same motivation as he had for Tyson. He had fulfilled his promise to his mother and was mostly in the ring for a big paycheck, hence why he was overweight.

 

Tyson beat Holmes easier.
Tyson beat Stewart easier.
It doesn't mean anything that Tyson beat some common opponents easier or that Holyfield beat other common opponents easier

Holyfield got his ass handed to him by Bowe twice and even when he won, it was due to the fan man incident.

Lewis was clearly ROBBED in the first fight and he totally outclassed Holyfield.
The second fight was a bit closer, yet Lewis still won clearly.
You are the only ****** who thinks Holyfield won. Nobody else agrees with you

 

Not against proper HW's he doesn't. He has 11 KOs in 23 fights. That is not even 50 %

 

Earnie Shavers has hardly any wins against good opponents, except for Norton and Ellis. And the Ellis win is a joke since Ellis only weighed around 199 lbs and Shavers should have been disqualified for holding Ellis' head with the left and then uppercutting.