I agree with tyson... (holyfield heabutting)

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by kirk, Feb 27, 2008.


  1. bigjake

    bigjake Active Member Full Member

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    nobody is making them inter the ring and they all have to take a battery of tests.if they fight i'll watch yes
     
  2. ChampionsForever

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  3. Dorfmeister

    Dorfmeister Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Holyfield bit someone in the shoulder, even Michael Bent did it against Herbie Hide. And if you look well into it, Mike went right into Evander's head in the seventh and complained afterwards. Holyfield just did what was advisable and that was not to give Tyson punching room ( based on the Buster Matthis fight), that is not the same as to headbutt someone systematically. I have heard just too many complaints about Holyfield headbutting, Hopkins headbutting, Chavez headbutting, etc, et cetera... Tyson used to rock opponents with elbows in close, who's he to complain about anything?
     
  4. Punisher33

    Punisher33 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I am a huge Tyson, and I also like Holyfield. Here's my take on the whole thing, the first fight was competitive until the middle rounds where Holyfield started to take over, for those who say Tyson should of butted him back, he did, and if you remember he ended up hurting himself more in the process, to where his own legs buckled from the impact. Tyson had no answers for Holyfield, no matter what he did it didnt work for him that night.

    The second fight started like the first, with both men landing good shots, until Holyfield started using his head again, Tyson remembered what happend the last time, and said **** it pretty much. I really think Tyson did the right thing in a sense, he refused to be the bully that night, and got his revenge on Holyfield in the worst way that night, after Tyson bit him Holyfield didnt want anymore of Tyson, instead of fighting back, he turned his back and jumped up and down, if this was a street fight, Tyson won IMO.
     
  5. Dorfmeister

    Dorfmeister Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I believe Tyson bit him on purpose and expecting the referee not to disqualify him. The whole idea was to get Holy distracted and walking into the shot recklessly and the proof was that he bit him a second time and said C'mon to Vander - he clearly tried to break Holyfield's focus... Holy tried to get in between Tyson's arms but remember that the cut was due to a left hook with open glove and on the break, not to a head butt. Tyson just ran out of ideas and couldn't stand against the pressure of losing again by the same way - he knew he couldn't fight twelve rounds at that pace...
     
  6. Punisher33

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    I see your point, but didnt Tyson come at an even lesser weight for the second fight? I'm not saying that always means a fighters in better shape, I just think it was more of a fear of Tyson's to be bullied again, like in the first fight, he decided he can butt with Holyfield, considering the first fight, the butt he landed on Holyfield left him in worse shape. I feel the bite was a result of a few things, frustration, anger, and the fear of someone getting the best of him again, the combination of all this resulted in Tyson's breakdown of sorts.
     
  7. TIGEREDGE

    TIGEREDGE Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I agree that holyfield had a 1997 version of mike tyson number. But i don't agree with you on the fouling. holyfield was a master of headbutting and getting away with it. there are guys who are masters at fouling in boxing like in other sports.
     
  8. Ikketurner

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    Tyson knew he couldn't win a fair fight so he went to his dirty tactics. Does anyone remember him bending Holyfield's arm? The cut was caused by Evander's glove not his head. Look at the replays... and didn't the fight get post poned becasuse Tyson was supposedly cut during training (sparring) for this fight? Holyfield re-opened the cut with a punch.

    Tyson is a sore loser and couldn't take getting whooped by Holyfield twice.
     
  9. Ikketurner

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    I hear you but how many times has Holyfield had points taken away because of butts? I think he had a big head and he dips his head low (chin tuck) when fighters come in charging him. Clever strategic tactic in my opinion. I've never seen him purposely butt his opponent. Maybe he is slick with it but I don't see it.

    Tyson was known for fouling... hitting after the bell, arm bending, biting, ect...
     
  10. brown_bomber

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    jamie foxx is gonna be tyson in the new movie about him :D i wonder if they show da bite fight in the movie :D
     
  11. Dorfmeister

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    I can easily remember that move in the third round, Tyson came out for all or nothing ( and Richie and him "forgot" to put his mouthpiece in at the start of the round) - Holyfield would always sustain the first blow and strike back at full steam, challenging Mike physically and pushing him back effectively, until Tyson slipped sideways with a wide left hook and found himself tangled with Evander and in the right position to bite. Just before that, Tyson tried to break Holyfield's arm by clinching Vander's left with his right arm and tryin to twist it with his left arm as Holy hit him hard on the break to prevent that situation to occur and they were separated and called by Mills. Listen, Tyson is evil and you don't want to get into his mind processes. I can speak cause my conscience is like a sheet of white paper, clean unlike Mike's... Mills was just the rightful hand of justice at the right time ( ironic he is a judge in court) but Mike will have further moments of justice when he burns in Hell!
     
  12. Ikketurner

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    Tyson broke down mentally because Holyfield was getting the better of him period. That's why he started fouling... That arm bend was a bad foul within itself... let alone biting a chunk of Holyfield's ear off.
     
  13. boxingabc123

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    In the first fight was Mike was winning until the 6th round. He rocked Holyfield in the 5th and was having a good 6th until the headbutt. After that he got cut and knocked down. In the second fight most people will agree he got butted again, and he even looked at Mills Lane during the second round right after the cut opened and complained. Mike should've fought back, but he let his emotions get the better of him and he bit him. He should've chaneled his anger, instead of letting it get the better of him.
     
  14. Punisher33

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    :rofl :lol: I hear you on that, Tyson isn't the guy you want to **** with in the ring or outside of it, his minds in left field it seems. I could feel his pain in a sense, I remember being butted in a match 5 or 6 years ago, the ref was doing nothing, and I started get this strange feeling inside me, it felt like my balls being pushed up into my stomach, I didnt know what to do, it was the worst feeling in the world, because I wasnt knocked out, but I felt dazed and had a hard time devising a plan to beat my oppenent. Thank god, there wasnt much time left in the round, but I was able to recover, and thank god I was able to get through the fight through the fight and win a close decision.

    I'm not saying Tyson was right by any means, for what he did, but I do understood part of the reason for doing it. I'm not sure if boxing a little amateur,but getting butted feels alot different than a hard punch, it really is a effective method of taking a fighter out of his game plan, and really making him feel confused in the ring.
     
  15. Tyson was on his way to getting KO'D so he was looking for a way to Punk out, he's always been a dirty fighter, hell he bit Mcbride too...
    The most important fight and he ****s it up because he couldn't handle losing to the better man..:-(