I am a boxing manager: if you have questions about the boxing biz, ask!

Discussion in 'Boxing Training' started by dempsey1234, Dec 31, 2012.


  1. Kratos

    Kratos Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Hypothetical question. let's say a 25 year old man has no future in any type of career, no college degree, can't join the military, can't join the police or fire department, can't even get hired at a mcdonalds or toysrus because hes overqualified somehow. he is very skilled at boxing though and does very well in sparring but has no amateur fights but needs to get money to feed himself. would it be hard to or out of the question to get him a boxing license and to actually get fights?
     
  2. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes you can get a license, but think about it long and hard. The money for a beginner is not so great, for the work you put in. Finding a fight will be a problem, you cant be choosie meaning you might be fighting an amateur star, with loads of experience. You say that you do well in sparring against??? Have you sparred with a pro? Do you have a trainer? There have been many fighters throughout boxing history who had great careers with little or no amateur experience. One that comes to mind is Julio Cesar Chavez sr. I believe only had 3 amateur fights. Get yourself ready and be ready in case of a last minute pullout. Not knowing too much about you I cant be more specific. PM me if you have a question.
     
  3. tysonko

    tysonko New Member Full Member

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    Depending of where you live you should be able to get some amatuer fights, if not I reccommend traveling. I am a Trainer with alot of experience now getting into management. I know several fighters who started boxing late 23-26 who had a limited amatuer career HOWEVER they where college athletes with athletic ability.I recommend getting a trainer and have some amatuer fights to see where your at. Good Luck too you!!
     
  4. tysonko

    tysonko New Member Full Member

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    Dempsey I have a question for you. I am a trainer with a few amatuer fighters in a high stakes boxing area. I recently got my managers license and plan to start signing fighters as manager/trainer. My question is once they are 18 can I sign them while they are still and amatuer. Reason being I live in a high stakes boxing area with alot of gyms/trainers/managers etc and we both know fighters arent loyal. I contacted the boxing commission and there answer was "hmmm I dont know"lol
     
  5. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "tysonko, Dempsey I have a question for you. I am a trainer with a few amatuer fighters in a high stakes boxing area. I recently got my managers license and plan to start signing fighters as manager/trainer. My question is once they are 18 can I sign them while they are still and amatuer.

    I dont know what the amateur organization might have to say on this. But let me ask you, why lessen the time on your contract. example you sign the kid now, to a 3yr contract, the kid doesnt turn pro until 6 months later. That means you have now only 2 1/2 yrs.

    Reason being I live in a high stakes boxing area with alot of gyms/trainers/managers etc and we both know fighters arent loyal. I contacted the boxing commission and there answer was "hmmm I dont know"lol

    Try to be the guy that the fighter trusts to do the job. To my guys I am Granpa", think that, become somebody that the kid feels you are like family. Make the kid know you care.
     
  6. tysonko

    tysonko New Member Full Member

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  7. tysonko

    tysonko New Member Full Member

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    Yes I am a father figure for the most part and I agree with lessoning the fight contract. Let me just tell you the area I am in there are alot of Managers/Promoters/Trainers that do what i call Gym shop. They send fighters in there to do it as well. There are many gyms with World Champs so its tempting for a fighter to leave. I am a little guy whos confident in my ability to breed a fighter properly. Ive worked with many top ranked and even world champion professionals. That being said I always out for the best interest of my fighter.
     
  8. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The East and West coast have many sharks. To give you an example many yrs ago there was was a manager, who had many world champions and contenders he wanted to sign these two kids who were great amateurs from Texas.
    Compared to this manager I didnt a have a pot to **** in. I couldnt offer them any money, I beat him out. He sent a former world champion to talk to them it didnt work. The reason they stayed with me was I had contacts and got them a deal with a major company. Start working your contacts and look to build new one's. Also think of your reputation, you know before they know you, they hear things about you so that's important that you dont exaggerate what you can do, instead demonstrate what you can do.
    And before I forget, know what you have. Cos when you go shopping depending on what you have, the people you may be talking to may know more than you. If for instance you have a decent guy with a decent amateur background, to the guy you are talking to, it's just a guy, unless there's something about the kid, charisma, power, great skills something stands out. Me, I have always been known to have a good eye for talent so I was very selective, had very few guys. I could have as many fighters I want to, but I choose not to. So people in the business know when I speak about a fighter I am not playing a commercial.
     
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  9. tysonko

    tysonko New Member Full Member

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    I couldn't agree more, I have always kept a small stable 3-5 fighters due to the fact I am 1 person who works full time and cant train everyone. I take it VERY serious and only train serious fighters who put the work in. Many trainers dont give s sh*t or dont know what there doing. Ive had National Golden Glove Champions, Silver Glove Champions etc. I am very knowledgeable about the business however am just starting to get into the Pros. Ive had offers to work in Pro stables but turned it down since Im trying to build my own stable.
     
  10. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Keep me posted if I can help in anyway good luck
     
  11. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie booted Full Member

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    How's it going Demps? I saw Saucedo's last fight, he's moving and fighting like GGG! He looks real good, congratulations!
     
  12. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Thanks how are you doin'? Top Rank said they would put him in a big fight by sept. 24-0, 15 yessir. He's fighting May 26 on UNIMAS in Chicago. He seems to be liking Abel. Thank you again.
     
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  13. tysonko

    tysonko New Member Full Member

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    Also the only way to get Professional fights is:

    1) Your a seasoned amatuer with an impressive resume.
    2) You can sell enough tickets to cover your purse AND your opponents purse.
    3) Your just a "Meat man" the promoter just uses you expecting you to lose to build up another fighter. Which is common but after a certain amount of losses the commission will make it harder for the matchmaker to make the bout. Where Im from the State Athletic Commission is tough on certain bouts. For example Ive seen them turn down a bout where a guy was 2-9 and the other guy was 8-0, they said you have to find someone with a 500 record in order to make the bout. HOWEVER if you upset a prospect the phone will be ringing!!
     
  14. tysonko

    tysonko New Member Full Member

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    Thank you maybe we can do business one day!!
     
  15. Makingweight

    Makingweight Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Anyone see the Brook v Spence fight at the weekend.I have gone on record before as really rating Spence and he went over to the UK and really turned the heat up on Brook and deserved his win and world title.He is a very talented operator coming into his prime years.

    Thing is I rated Brook highly also thought he may be able to just win a decision on points with the home crowd behind him.My nagging doubt was not just the fact Brook had to do a 16 week camp to get to 147 lb.

    My other nagging doubt was his previous fight,what were his manager and promoter thinking.It wasn't long term,it was a quick payday.They should of built on the superb performance against Porter they didn't.

    You don't take a career WW and move him up two weight classes against one of the best P4P fighters in the world and honestly think you are going to get anything but a payday but at what cost...broken eye socket and long recuperation.

    You then drop back down two weight classes and at 31 when you are struggling to boil down to WW you are really playing with fire...and a fighters health.

    Too big for WW too small for MW the answer all too obvious but in this case true lies in the middle...154 lb.

    What happened and everyone it seems I have read from the 'experts' talked of course about the other eye socket which Brook has fractured it seems.Awful for him and another long layoff and to me he should think about calling it a day.Spence done the hard yards in the fight by breaking Brook down with body shots.Weakness at the weight test the body,old school.

    Options a Khan fight which would happen two or three years too late,not for me both are way past their peaks.
    His options could of been different he was offered the GGG fight and a couple of million.He should have had someone telling him what could happen and has panned out.

    You don't jump two weight classes against the best in the division without someone talking through at what it could cost.Madness.
     


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