I am a boxing manager: if you have questions about the boxing biz, ask!

Discussion in 'Boxing Training' started by dempsey1234, Dec 31, 2012.


  1. KillSomething

    KillSomething Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Serious question: I'm seeing Marcus Browne got another early KO against some guy with 3 fights and a losing record. His next opponent also has a losing record.

    As an insider, do you see this sort of matchmaking as a problem? You have kids with Olympic experience and 100+ amateur fights, and the first 2 years of their careers are spent pounding on guys who have no chance. it would be different if they were put in with experienced journeymen who could go rounds and teach them a few things (Ernie Smith who passed away recently comes to mind), but they're going in there with guys who A. suck really really bad, B. are smaller, and C. don't have anywhere near the pro/amateur experience.

    To me, it build the fighters record but not their resume. In other words, it does them no good. They learn to fight down a level and then when they finally fight someone with a legit chance, even if they win a tough fight people are disappointed because they looked SO good against no-hopers. The fans can't possibly be entertained by this. I personally hate it. I have nothing against guys with limited amateur experience and losing records. If they have a good heart they can put on really entertaining fights--against EACH OTHER. I think some of the matchmaking in boxing borders on cruelty and really does the fans and the fighter no good.
     
  2. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes, it is cos it sometimes makes these guys think they can knockout anybody, or they delude themselves into thinking that they superman, since they are beating this type of opponents so easy that they get complacent, then when the time comes that they have to step up they struggle and blame the coach.



    There are legitiment reasons why the matchmaker, the manager take these type of fights.

    -The fighter is making the transition from amateur to pro

    -The fighter is fighting for the first time without headgear

    -The fighter maybe using smaller gloves.

    -you might want to gauge the fighters progress

    Now here is why things get screwed up.

    -Most matchmakers and managers dont really know what they are doing when it comes to raising a prospect

    -Lack of confidence in the fighters ability to step up

    I will go more in depth cos you had good questions and they deserve a more in depth
    answer. I have three guys fighting this weekend, so I am kind of busy right now.
     
  3. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Went 3 for 3 all ko's Saturday.
     
  4. Thracian

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  5. Makingweight

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    Fascinating article hindsight is a marvellous thing but at the point Coyne was told sign without being able to take the contract away should have set alarm bells ringing.He should have got up & left.

    King best summed up by arranging the rumble in the jungle without actually having the finance to back it.He was only doing what he knew gambling & rolling the dice!So if he is like that with finance would you really trust him with a boxers career development wise?No disrespect to Cloud but glad he has no current champions.
     
  6. dempsey1234

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    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That one thing that is that hardest thing to do is leave that contract. King paints a pretty picture and fills you with hope. Hope, doubt and regret will convince most to take the chance that they be the exception.

    He does with his fighters if he doesnt have TV or other source of revenue then the fighters can sit on the shelf.
     
  8. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    like in the movie "the godfather", it's business, not personal.
     
  9. KillSomething

    KillSomething Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Makes sense, thanks for the replies and congrats on the wins :good
     
  10. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You had good questions, have you read that HBO wont televise Goldenboy fights, and what it can mean to fighters this could be their golden opportunity . HBO does a tremendous job when they get behind someone.
    I appreciate the questions cos they might make you think before they make a move.
     
  11. dealt_with

    dealt_with Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    How do you think they'll match up Lomachenko when he turns pro? Will they go the Rigo route or maybe not because Lomachenko is younger?
     
  12. dempsey1234

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    Depends who signs him, a good gauge will be Zou Shiming from China, who signed with Top Rank. Shiming will be fighting, Eleazar Valenzuela 2-1-2, 1 KO, from Mexico. After that fight they will move him based on his pro debut.

    Lomachenko, is 25yrs old so I am guessing will be brought along the same way, on a "let's see where he's at" basis.

    Cos of his age he doesnt have the building up time a younger fighter would.

    Rigo, is moved along at a much faster, which has to do with financial reasons more then anything else. Opponents for Cubans are hard to find and expensive, Cubans dont draw fans, fans and TV pay the bills, so Cubans have to fight at an faster pace, cos they for the most part stink out the joint. Gamboa seems to be the exception but even he doesnt draw. Cubans are forever calling out this guy or that guy, why, cos they need a name to fight to make any money.
    The Rigo fight with Donaire, if Rigo win's, what then? He can fight a rematch and then what? The promoter will be locked into giving Rigo a bigger purse, which means shopping Rigo to the networks and unless he is fighting a meaningful fight he will sit on the bench waiting, cos they cant afford to pay him.
    If Lomachenko can develop a fan base, he will be brought along at his own speed.
     
  13. Thracian

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    What do you estimate Chavez and Martinez made from their PPV cut on top of their purses of around $3 million and $1.5 million?
     
  14. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Really cant say but they had 475k PPV buys bringing in about 25-26 million in revenue, usually the PPV people work on a 50-50 split. So Top Rank probably came away with a good profit. Add all the other revenue streams, ticket sales, sponsorships, and other tv revenue TR did alright.
    The way it's done is that the promoter offers the fighter a few dollars on the PPV over lets say 200k ppv buys. Chavez and Martinez might have opted to take a flat fee or worked for a piece of the PPV pie.
     
  15. Makingweight

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    Over here in the uk PPV boxing is virtually dead Khan had PPV fights until Prescott sent him to sleep.Froch v Kessler being the next event our SKY platform will show live first boxing on SKY PPV in a long time.Hatton had the Senchenko fight on another platform Primetime here don't think it did that well.
    Will be interesting to see how it does Matchroom have picked 25th May a good date why?
    The largest football match of the year is on in Europe that night champions league final so the marketing angle is people will watch the final & switch over after 10pm guess the fight will be on 11pm onwards our time.They will be dissapointed no English side is left in the tournament the final is at Wembley here still smart move captive tv audience!
    PPV boxing here cost's around £15 ($22 give or take).I know the standard USA price $49.99.