I am a boxing manager: if you have questions about the boxing biz, ask!

Discussion in 'Boxing Training' started by dempsey1234, Dec 31, 2012.


  1. jasper2005

    jasper2005 Active Member Full Member

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    What is a ball park figure that guys get paid to advertise on their shorts, or like you see a lot in Europe with the fake tattoo across their back??
     
  2. 3TT

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    Forgive me for not being clear. I was speaking in terms of providing Healthcare/Financial/Risk Management etc., to the talent. Should I look to build the business relationship with the promoter, manager, or trainer.
     
  3. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The managers and the fighters since they will benefit from your advice
     
  4. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Depends on the guy, my guy was offered 15k for an HBO title fight which we declined. I don't believe the American networks allow the tattoo's anymore.
    The logo's on the shorts or robes can go from $500 and up again depends on the fighter
     
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    Thanks for the quick reply
     
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    When a guy gets a % of PPV; how exactly does that work? Like is it after a set number of buys they get 10$ a buy after that or some other model?
     
  7. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The promoter and the fighter negotiate a figure, for a flat fee and PPV buys. Let's say $1.00 for buys over 100k plus a flat of 50k. Remember in a contract it can mean different things, the key wording of "whichever is more" I want a guaranteed minimum purse plus a piece of the buys, and eliminate that wording "whichever is more". If they sell 200k, the fighter then stands to make 100k extra or the deal can be stated as 50k is the flat fee or "whichever is more". I would go with the former, but some fall for the "whichever is more" line for various reasons on a deal. My way the fighter is going to make 150k, the other 100k. You really have to know what your guy is worth.
     
  8. dempsey1234

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    In the main event, fought at a catchweight of 155 pounds, Canelo Alvarez will receive a $1.5 million purse but likely will make more based on pay-per-view sales and Mexican television revenue. His promotional company, Canelo Promotions, is also likely getting a nice chunk of change. Erislandy Lara will make a career-high $1 million for his first pay-per-view main event.

    Here is an example of two strategies, Canelo on the face of it based on his purse, he went for a flat guarantee of 1.5m plus a nice PPV upside, plus Mexican TV worth @ least 1-2m maybe more, then Canelo's company gets paid as a co-promoter.
    Now Lara's people went for a guaranteed 1m, no PPV upside.
    In this case Canelo, made a good deal based on Canelo's worth, Lara was happy to be at the dance, his people knew Lara is no draw.
     
  9. jasper2005

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    So often if you are the b side like Lara was, lets say his team chose the ppv upside choice instead. He may have made less than 1 million right? like his guaranteed purse would've been less, then he would have got a % of ppv? Am I on the right track?
     
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    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Jasper that's right, Lara's management were very happy with the deal which guaranteed them a 1m, purse they knew what their fighter was worth.
     
  11. Makingweight

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    Lara's team made the right choice they knew what their fighter brings to the table and the ring.Talented..no draw being the achilles heel.
    Talented but the B side and in this case of what both Canelo-Lara bring to the table he was given a great deal in getting a 1m dollar purse.The fight?Many arguments score it,see it as you feel....My view Canelo won a tight decision,rightly so.
    You as the B side fighter have to totally school the opponent to win in that style/ manner.The A side fighter rarely if ever will drop a decision in those same circumstances ANYWHERE in the world.Lara made good coin...could of gone on to make a hell of a lot more.Canelo makes money and those that can't see how it may be reflected at times in how the business works are imo living in a fantasy world.Some fans,writers talk of a rematch because it was tight..dream on,won't be happening.
     
  12. Makingweight

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    Some purse information at different levels we will go from top to bottom in terms of $/£ whichever currency floats your boat.
    Brian Rose who was on a mission impossible/improbable made a career high $102k v Andrade (Andrade$200k).Rose showing that with a promoter (Hearn) that can engineer opportunities he gave his fighter a chance to make some decent money.Bare in mind to the upcoming fighter the 60k (UK conv.) after the taxman,manager & trainer fees etc imo he will bank slightly south of £30k.The figure you read about that gets banked should open your eyes.Rose has gone on record thankful for the opportunity and purse.Fighting for a world title a dream...dreams can sometimes come true.Dreams don't pay the bills,cold hard cash wise too good for Rose who frankly was many levels below Andrade.

    Stateside also IBF 160lb eliminator,two bidders for 'Showtime' Stevens v N'Dam.Main events $62k.King Sports World $80k.The split 60-40 to Stevens.So $48k Stevens to $32k N'Dam again the take home pay for their 'playoff' for a title shot both again I would hazard after Uncle Sam has his cut and their teams have been 'paid' you are looking again way more than south of half....eye opening to some.Unless you get to the top and even then you better be careful with what you earn.Too tough a sport not to.

    To finish off guy I know who I won't name....journeyman the type who gets last minute calls to save shows and give the 'house' prospect a workout.For four rounds recently got paid £900 cash.His oppt didn't do the weight right.The way it works is this the journeyman will get a little extra neg. if confident to do so.The oppt was 3lb over the agreed limit so the standard would at that level normally £100 a lb so £300 extra he got a little more £500 so £1,400 cash in total.He rarely gets stopped which is his number one goal,get paid,get out and no 28 day suspension for a stoppage.He would be getting more than the prospect unless a big ticket seller.

    Whatever your level you get to be realistic at what you can earn the level you are at.The figures on domestic UK fighters pay scales a few pages back.Dempsey supplied the USA equivalent,similar if converted.Very few boxers will retire with bulging bank balances,so be wise with what you earn. Hope that helps those that asked.
     
  13. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    As always M good work and insight in the business end of boxing.
     
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    An unwise move by a promoter which the manager allowed which further exposed the fighter.
    Canelo like Floyd can cherry pick their opponents so why pick a running boxer with good evasive moves like Lara?
    I am willing to bet Floyd would never fight a guy like Lara cos of his style. Canelo "won" a split but was exposed by his lack of skills. The manager's job is to know his fighters weaknesses and strengths. A manager should be strong enough to over rule the fighter even if Canelo wanted the fight. The choice of opponent was wrong from the get go, a stick and move guy and to make it worse a southpaw. Canelo's management were asleep at the wheel, letting this happen. Hopefully Canelo's manager learned a lesson and will take charge.
     
  15. Makingweight

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    Excellent take on his situation.Canelo is experienced in terms of pro fights but his youth has been overlooked and someone needs to tell him that with regards his boxing career direction.No need to run before you can walk in that sense.

    MM,experienced enough inside and out of the ring to basically self manage ,knows his worth,type of opponent etc.Ellerbe is just MM personal assistant his imput being doing what he's told,when he's told happy to earn a living doing so.MM can drive his own career with Haymon overlooking the fight contracts.

    Canelo it seems must want to have a similar set up final say on opponent's wise.He should not be making these decisions.Eddy Reynoso is his co-trainer and manager.

    Had Canelo of dropped the decision against Lara what often is the first to go especially after an important career loss?

    The trainer...maybe even the manager....or maybe you don't want to upset the gravy train especially if you are both?!