I am a boxing manager: if you have questions about the boxing biz, ask!

Discussion in 'Boxing Training' started by dempsey1234, Dec 31, 2012.


  1. peleador

    peleador Member Full Member

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    Thnks for the answer jasper2005...another question( to anyone)thats been in my mind...when i fighter regains his championship title back..does he get the SAME belt that the other guy had? Or does he get a brnd new one?..i always see trainers of previous champ carry the belt with them before the fight..thnks guys!
     
  2. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    P, How do you think the ranking organizations, WBC, WBA, WBO, IBF, on down the line, makes $, everyone of them get 3% off each fighter, whoever win's gets his own belt to keep, which will be awarded to the new champion at a later date, the loser gets to keep his belt.
     
  3. peleador

    peleador Member Full Member

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    Wow..thats an eye opener for me..theres ALOT to learn in this business..thnks demps for sharing your knowledge with us.
     
  4. peleador

    peleador Member Full Member

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    If you train a fighter for many years..& hes close to a championship fight ..then that guy suddenly gets another trainer.(cus he was brainwashed).whats up with all the years you invested on him?..how can a trainer protect himself from that?
     
  5. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Sad to say he can't, trainers and coaches' heads are always on the chopping block in every sport not just boxing. Here is the problem, the kid grows up with a trainer, they been together since the kid was a peanut, taught the kid all he knows but then there is a point where that kid is not learning, or listening to the coach. A good manager see's what is going on and has to act, cos this is about the fighter. If the kid is rebelling and is not listening then it's time to change. Sometimes the kid gets to a point that he needs something else and a change is called for. The old trainer, may not agree that the kid needs something else and will hang guilt trips on the kid, a good manager knows and has to decide if a replacement is called for. Trainers blame the know nothing managers, the ungrateful kid, everything but themselves. Sometimes they are right, it is the kid, but what do you do? If they stay together it will be like a bad marriage and the kid's career will suffer. I try to keep the old trainer but sometimes they want the 10% for themselves and are not willing to share the 10 with anyone else and that becomes a headache. Its not always cos the kid is being ungrateful. Think about it like this, you can't expect your grammar school teacher to teach you thru college and beyond, as you grow you will need more.
     
  6. peleador

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    I understand that..but the trainer has all the right to get ****ed with the kid (in my opinion)..whats up with all the years put into him..how can an up an comming trainer ,,train a kid..get him ready for a championship fight..get little $...teach him everything the trainer knows..doing everything right..when in the back of the trainers mind..hes thinking that theres a.possibility for the kid to turnaround and "back stb hm""..is there some kind of contract thatll protect the trainer from wasting Alot of years with an ungrtfl kid?
     
  7. Son of Gaul

    Son of Gaul Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Hell no, nor should there be. The fighter has the right to change trainers if he wants to. Just like with any business, it's the responsibility of the business owner(trainer/gym owner) to maintain a healthy relationship with his client/s.
     
  8. peleador

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    Guess its just better to charge fair price for training from the beginning,and not be naive thinking that later down the road ,youll be compensated when he gets the" big fights",,
     
  9. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's been my experience that trainers are the hardest to change cos simply put they think they know it all, and are not willing to share the pie. Let's say you have a kid, you see the kid has not progressed to the next level his career is stagnant, the trainer blames the kid, "I tell him and he's not listening". The manager, the promoter see's the problem and suggest to the trainer that maybe they should bring in someone to help. The first thing the trainer does is say, "I still want my 10%", and that is when the problems start, there is only so much to give or get from the fighter. If you bring in somebody he has to get paid, the trainer is saying he wants his and is not willing to share. The fighter pays 10% off the top for training. Now add the 1-2% for the cutman, 2-3% for a conditioner, then add the managers cut anywhere from 10-33 1/3%.
    Then let's say you bring in somebody to help, the original trainer starts his song and dance, "that guy don't know anything", and gets in the kid's ear. Most trainers don't think they need any help so they make it hard to implement change which maybe is needed. Trainers need to work as hard as the fighter to improve his game and to accept the fact that change might be good for him also, but the issue of the whole pie still lingers, the trainer will be unhappy which in turn affects the team and training.
     
  10. peleador

    peleador Member Full Member

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    Thats great info Demps..truly appreciated!!!
     
  11. 123ko

    123ko Active Member Full Member

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    This is probably why the family training groups work because the there all ok with someone making a change within camp.
    An outsider wanting to make changes courses friction

    Even if the boxers as pressured to change coach, there is a big present that return back to there original coach

    Lets not forget in all sports it as to be repetition day after day this is what groves the mind into making a decision when needed, the best sports man are the ones that don't get board, but keep wanting to learn why there doing and understanding what's being done.

    To many boxers are being told what penitential they have, which mentally can take them of the boil with lack of motivation, the coach then as to deal with other people throwing spanners in the works thinking they know best
    The coach as to make changes to keep it interesting for the boxer, the mind as to be interested in reaching the goal
     
  12. orishas

    orishas New Member Full Member

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    Hi there, how do you become a boxing manager in texas? Thanks.
     
  13. Arranmcl

    Arranmcl Arran Full Member

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    You've probably answered this a million times but how would somebody go about getting into the industry? I'm in Scotland and I love the idea of being a manager.
     
  14. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    First thing is go on the Texas boxing commission website, http://www.tdlr.texas.gov/sports/sports.htm
    fill out the form and send $100.00, and you are a manager it's easy, the hard part is finding a fighter and managing him. Where in Tx are you? I am in Corpus Christi, Tx
     
  15. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's probably the same as in the states, apply for a license at your local boxing commission. The tricky part is learning the business. Go to the local gyms, and any boxing shows
    (amateur and pro) get to know who's who and what's what in your area. Talk to your area's promoters and matchmakers. And most important, have an understanding wife or girlfriend cos boxing is a 24/7 gig, no holidays or anything.