I am a boxing manager: if you have questions about the boxing biz, ask!

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  1. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't believe an up and coming fighter can afford one, if my guy is having weight problems and the kid is training his a$$ off, then a nutritionist is consulted.
     
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    ...that's what i thought....thnkx!! :good
     
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    ..Dempsey...IMO Emanuel Steward -best boxing trainer.... Of all the trainers (living).who are the top 3 trainers?.(.IYO) since youve been around many trainers throughout the years...Also, what training style you like best?.(&why) old school, or innovating training techniques?..(maesuring heart rate,suplements, innovating equipment for training,etc)..finally (sorry for so many qstions)..what are the best qualities a great trainer should have?... Thnx! :bbb
     
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    Of all the trainers (living).who are the top 3 trainers?.(.IYO)
    To me a guy you probably never heard of, Romulo Quiarte, from Tijuana. He trained from I believe his 3rd pro fight a guy you might heard of, Julio Cesar Chavez sr, to his last fight. Other people took credit, like Nacho Beristian, Cristobal Rosas, even Steward. It was Romulo, too bad people don't know him, he retired a while back he had it with all the bullachit. Almost every world champ and great fighter that came out of Baja California, started in his gym. From one the greatest '15pdr ever Gilberto Roman, Beristian, also claims him. If any of you would like to see the gym in Tijuana, it's called "La Crea". You wouldn't believe the fighters that came out of there.
    I found him thru Ricardo "Finito" Lopez, we left nacho's gym and were looking around for a trainer. I asked "Finito's", opinion and gave him a few names, Romulo was one of them, as soon as "Finito", heard the name, he said that's the one. So this is the one for me.

    since youve been around many trainers throughout the years...Also, what training style you like best?.

    A combination really Puerto Rican/Mexican, both aggressive styles

    (&why) old school, or innovating training techniques?..

    Old school new school whatever works and is best for my guys.

    (maesuring heart rate,suplements, innovating equipment for training,etc)

    Not my department, as long as my guy is in shape and ready to fight, and makes weight I don't mess with it.


    ..finally (sorry for so many qstions)..what are the best qualities a great trainer should have?...

    This one I will answer next
     
  5. dempsey1234

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    Here's some bits and pieces from some great trainers themselves that I've collected:
    The qualities that are essential to being a good trainer.
    First
    it’s not enough for a trainer to tell a boxer what to do.
    He has to teach him.

    That requires an understanding of the intricacies of boxing and the ability to communicate that knowledge in a way that it’s understood.

    “You can’t just give orders,” says Atlas.

    “You have to be able to put the knowledge and understanding that you have inside someone else’s head.”

    “A good trainer never stops learning,” says Angelo Dundee.

    “You have to understand that you don’t know everything and be willing to go to other people for help.”

    “A good trainer is a good listener,” says Bouie Fisher. “He spends a lot of time with his fighter and gets to know him physically and mentally.”

    “A trainer needs patience,” says Al Mitchell.

    “You have to respect your fighter,” says Tommy Brooks. “Otherwise, there’s no way he’ll respect you.”

    “A good trainer is dedicated,” says Joe Goossen. “It’s not just the fighters who have to sacrifice.”

    “A good trainer leads by example,” says Jesse Reid. “That means you have to be disciplined.”

    “A good trainer has a passion for the sport,” says Naazim Richardson. “And there are times when being a trainer is like being a parent.”

    Teaching the fundamentals of boxing to a fighter is just one part of a trainer’s job,

    but it’s the foundation on which everything else is based.

    In that regard, a good trainer is a perfectionist, but one who understands the reality of boxing that his fighter will always be less than perfect.

    A good trainer is also a psychologist of sorts.

    “You can teach a fighter all the mechanics in the world and he still might not know how to employ them,” says Teddy Atlas.

    “The mental toughness, the psychological things you teach a fighter, are just as important as teaching him technique.

    The best trainers come from a place where they had some kind of practical experience in dealing with physical threats, pressure, and fear.

    That’s one of the things I got from Cus [D’Amato]. Cus was a genius, a mad scientist, and one hundred percent committed to the sport. He was a pioneer in teaching and he understood every aspect of the game, but his forte was the psychological.”

    “That’s one of the things that made Eddie Futch great,” says Freddie Roach. “Eddie did more than just teach boxing. He knew what buttons to push to get the most out of his fighter. He got inside his fighter’s head.”

    “You have to know when to be firm,” says Pat Burns. “You have to know when to be mean; and you have to know when to be gentle. When your fighter thinks he can’t do anymore, you have to get him to believe that he can. When he’s exhausted and thinks he can’t climb those last few steps to get to the top of the mountain, you put it in his head that, not only can he do that; if he has to, he can go down to the bottom of the mountain and climb back to the top again.”
     
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    WOW !!!..that is awesome,, ill make sure i write this down!
    ..your right,ive never heard of trainer Romulo Quiarte,interesting,..ill try to find info on him..
    Truly great, knowledgeable answers dempsey...:good ill definitely take notes.!
    ..we really appreciate it! ..... :bbb
     
  7. rampant

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    dealt_with have you read this?
     
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    I checked out the fight-Jones vs. Rose..definetally stopped too early..i think the final outcome was gona be the same,cus i dont think Rose wouldve recovered from that..but he did deserve a chance to fight a little longer..i think Rose shoulve clinched for a few seconds..IMO.-,i think they both need lots more work...:bbb ...
     
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    ..demps after a guy gets his amateur license..how does hes trainer go about getting fights for him..does the trainer pic & choose his opponents?.how?.whats the path to take him to the golden gloves title?..also how often should an amateur be fighting (IYO)?(say the guy is 19 yrs. Old)..thnks..:bbb
     
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    :good .. I guess thats the ideal path to take a kid into the pro's-lotts of amateur fights..and calculate his oponents carefully after turning pro..weve all seen fighters that arent near ready to be in the ring---I saw Ricardo 'Finito'Lopez for the first time..what an awesome style!!!..there's a great example of taking your time and learn your craft in the amateurs.(& having a good trainer)...did 'Matador' Chavez have lotts of amateur fights?.(great fighter)...also,have you come across guys that break from the norm and go straight to the pro's ?..is there instances when thats the best thing to do ? :bbb Gracias Maestro!
     
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    ..yea it sounds like Arturo 'Cullo' Hernandez was a great trainer.Ive been reading/watching everything on him i can get my hands on .I watched a you tube video where when Finito first started boxing,'Cullo' Hernandez had him just practicing ONLY his movement back and forth in the gym..for THREE months!..(talk about taking your time)...& that great preparation showed inside the ring !...
    "..'Finito' used two kids (14 yr old & other,2-1 as a pro)..what was his reason for doing that?..why not more experienced fighters?
    ..what exactly do you mean when you say trainers -Nacho & Romulo,had CONTROLLED sparring?....:bbb
    'he would walk around the gym with his hands up..JMM style"
    ..by that you mean Juan Ma. Marquez ?
    One more question...in your book,aprox. How many amateur fights a kid should have before turning pro (rule of thmb,,cus i know it depends on lotts of things)
    and to be considered as having good amateur experience?..
     
  14. dempsey1234

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    'Cullo', CUYO
    I watched a you tube video where when Finito first started boxing,'Cullo' Hernandez had him just practicing ONLY his movement back and forth in the gym..for THREE months!..
    (talk about taking your time)...& that great preparation showed inside the ring !...
    Too many guys/trainers are in a hurry and skip the repetition part of training

    "..'Finito' used two kids (14 yr old & other,2-1 as a pro)..what was his reason for doing that?..why not more experienced fighters?
    Simple answer is that sparring, IMO, should be where you work on things and polish up skills, not to engage in gym wars.

    ..what exactly do you mean when you say trainers -Nacho & Romulo,had CONTROLLED sparring?
    In controlled sparring for example, Romulo, before sparring would instruct the fighters one at a time, telling them what he wanted done in the sparring session. For instance he might tell one of the guys to throw certain punches or moves. He then would tell the other guy to counter such moves and punches. Nacho, always began with a jabbing round, nothing else. Too many times I have seen sparring get out of hand and that's where injuries happen or can happen.


    'he would walk around the gym with his hands up..JMM style"
    ..by that you mean Juan Ma. Marquez ?
    Yes
    One more question...in your book,aprox. How many amateur fights a kid should have before turning pro (rule of thmb,,cus i know it depends on lotts of things)
    and to be considered as having good amateur experience?
    A good trainer will know when, a lot of times the kid himself feels he is ready, the trainer should know and tell the kid now or wait.



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    :good thnks!..wouldve been awesome working alonside El 'Cuyo' Hernandez..didnt he also have the great 'Puas' Olivares,,and P.Cuevas?
    Who took over his style of training now that hes gone(RIP)?