I am glad Wilder is not retiring - He still deserves another shot IMO.

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Vegan Beast, Oct 13, 2021.

Should Wilder retire?

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  1. Yes

  2. No

  1. Reppin501

    Reppin501 The People's Champ Full Member

    Apr 26, 2010
    He was knocked out by Ruiz, and outboxed by Usyk…how is that better than losing twice to Fury?
  2. gmurphy

    gmurphy Land of the corrupt, home of the robbery! banned Full Member

    Oct 30, 2013
    He deserves another serious beating
  3. tinman

    tinman Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Feb 25, 2015
    Marco Antonio Barrera says hi.
  4. Vegan Beast

    Vegan Beast Grandpappy Ortiz Full Member

    Aug 19, 2020
    1. He avenged his loss to Ruiz. Any fighter can get caught on bad night.

    2. Surely when deciding who's better without fighting, you've got to look at wins, not just losses.

    Joshua's best wins are Wlad, Povetkin, Whyte, Ruiz, Parker, Pulev, Takam.

    Compare this to Ortiz, Breazeale, Arreola, Spilka, Stiverne, Molina, ? (Christ this is ****ing terrible)

    How the **** do they even compare? It's clear to anyone seeing that who's got the better record. Ortiz is the only one on there worth mentioning.


    This is how you decide who deserves number 3. WINS, not just losses.

    I believe Wilder vs Joshua is a 50/50 fight, but to separate them on rankings, you gotta look at wins.
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  5. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

    Jul 21, 2009
    Does he? That's jolly decent of him. Big fan of MAB, how's he doing these days?

    The brace of losses to Jones were not baptisms or biblical shellackings. The second one was a very competitive hard fought 12 round decision.
  6. aaaaa

    aaaaa Ash Full Member

    Dec 19, 2020
    3 of his last 5... including 2 wins over Hearn's first choice to replace Jarrell Miller and Breazeale who gets named constantly by Hearn when he gets going on 'lets look at AJ's resume'.
  7. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Prayed for Shadow,Waste of time,Still a nincompoop Full Member

    Mar 17, 2018
    Im not Ortiz's biggest fan but what level is Whyte better than him?
  8. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

    Jul 26, 2004
    As much as a bad matchup as Fury is for Wilder... and he absolutely is, I do wonder how much Wilder 'benefited' from Furys lack of concussive power.

    As winnable as fights against AJ and some others are for Wilder, I can envision a scenario in which he gets slightly overhyped and overrated going into future matchups because of this war with Fury, a war that was only possible due to Fury not being the hardest puncher himself, and then gets demolished when an actual concussive puncher (AJ) lands on his chin.

    It makes a fight with AJ, and to a much lesser extent Whyte... so exciting.
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  9. Vegan Beast

    Vegan Beast Grandpappy Ortiz Full Member

    Aug 19, 2020
    Fury has more power than people may have initially thought, but his power still isn't up there with the likes of Joshua.

    Joshua wouldn't have taken that long to finish Wilder.
  10. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

    May 6, 2021
    I'm a firm believer that you can only truly judge fighters by who they've been in with - anything beyond that is unsupported projection and more likely to be shown wrong than not (because bellcurves).

    Ortiz best win is Jennings.
    Whytes best win is Parker.

    Ortiz next best win is probably Hammer, then scuba Scott and then it dives off a cliff.
    Whytes also beaten Chisora twice, Helenius, Wach and Rivas... And that's being charitable by taking context into account and not including Povetkin.

    So Whyte's beaten a former champion in Parker whilst Ortiz beat a gatekeeper level fighter in Jennings... And Whyte's beaten Chisora, who alone has at least an equal resume to Ortiz, and several other fighters who'd go straight into Ortiz top 3.

    Sorry, I don't see how these two are remotely comparable enough to be considered anything other than a level apart.
  11. vast

    vast Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Nov 27, 2010
    The only thing Wilder deserves is what he earns.
  12. Holler

    Holler Doesn't appear to be a paid matchroom PR shill Full Member

    Mar 12, 2018
    As long as his health permits it I hope we see Wilder back in the ring. I don't know about deserving a shot. There's others that have been waiting in line, paying their fee's and climbing the rankings, but Wilder brings a lot to the table, belt or no belt. If he strings a couple of decent wins together and has the backing from Haymon I'm sure either WBC or another of the bodies will be pushing him to the front of the list.

    He'll need the 6 months and more to recover. I suspect a US opponent would be the best choice for a rebuild / comeback. It would be good if he could reaffirm his status as the leading US HW, maybe Ruiz Jr or Hunter could have something to say about that. I'd sooner he fought credible opponents from here on out because he can't have too long left.

    I would also feel a sense of loss if we don't get to see him against Joshua before he hangs up the gloves, at one point it looked like it would be the biggest fight in our era. Even if neither of them have a title, that's a fight I'd like to see. Joyce or Whyte would also be good UK v US match-ups if time / events allow.
  13. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

    Jan 18, 2010
    I don't want to see him retire, I want to see him against actual opposition besides Fury and old Ortiz.
    If he retires now, and Fury actually turns out to be the best of the generation, he (and his fans) will always use that he only lost to the best and almost beat him (bogus draw). While never having fought the best with bad style matchups.
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  14. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Prayed for Shadow,Waste of time,Still a nincompoop Full Member

    Mar 17, 2018
    Watch them box

    Ortiz is a lot more talented
  15. Pimp C

    Pimp C Free The Guys! F 12 & Goofies Stay Dangerous! Full Member

    Jun 23, 2005
    No I still want AJ-Wilder.