I am not a big Calzaghe Fan but.....

I don't think Calzaghe needs to come back. He has nothing more to prove in my opinion.

 

essexboy and christo ya could both suck my dick..and then call crespo to finsh the job off

 

I'd very much enjoy seeing Joey C. come back and continue to do what he does best. Work. Adjust. Dominate.

 

jeff lacy is a bum...you either have to agree or yer a calzaghe fan who believes that joe ruined him....if you think joe ruined him...well yer entitled to yer opinion...but i would strongly disagree

kessler...well...he hasnt done ****...he really needs a strong showing or to win the super 6 to keep calzaghes legacy in place or enhance it...right now though he seems like a guy who looks the part...young...strong...but a mechanical european fighter...and until he does something worth note....that win doesnt look that great for joe

as for 'nard...well i certainly wouldnt say 'nard was robbed....and if you wanted to say that "nobody looks good against bhop"....i watched the fight once(live) and didnt score it...but joe didnt look good against an older fighter who barely threw punches...it just is what it is....lets not even get started on roy and joe....its a tired argument on message boards...but joe fans just have to accept that his resume leaves alot to be desired....hes a very good fighter though

 

nuthugger !

 

Seriously, anyone who talks about the age of Hopkin's when Hopkin's turned around and absolutely shitcanned the last remaining guy that was worthy of fighting Joe (Pavlik) needs their head examined.

Nard in boxing terms, is still a Top 3 P4P and still someone who would throw down with anyone from 160-175 in history.

 

I can only imagine him coming back if Froch wins the super 6, unifies and continues to insult Calzaghe.

If Calzaghes legacy as a supermiddleweight is being overlapped by Froch's super middleweight accomplishments its hard to imagine JC just sitting there allowing it to happen, its a long shot on Froch's part though.

 

The winner of the SS won't be decide until 2011. Do you really see JC coming out of retirement then? It's a shame he didn't make the most of his career as it's quite obvious that he could of fought several fighters of a higher calibre than the likes of Ashira, Pudwill, Salem etc. But he's done and dusted now and regardless of what Froch does, I think JC will stay that way.

 

Joe will not be back.

As for "He could have fought several fighters of higher callibre" - Pudwill was a late replacement. Ashira was an Ex Title Challenger. Salem was a joke fight and a tune up

But who was he supposed to fight? Ottke was off the scene by then and had done everything he possibly could to avoid Calzaghe. Beyer didn't want anything to do with Calzaghe. Lacy was only just starting to come into prominence.

Hopkins had turned him down, Jones Jr had turned him down, Johnson was busy with the series of fights that made him famous.

Tell me, genius - who was Calzaghe supposed to fight that he didn't try to fight?

 

Do I agree that Joe could have beaten better people than he has on his resume and had a more marketable career? Of course.

Do I agree that Joe openly ducked the best fighters available to him? Hell no.

Joe fought the guys that Sven Ottke couldn't beat convincingly, generally in the very next fight after they were robbed against Ottke (Mitchell, Reid, Brewer) and also fought guys that Ottke struggled against and beat them convincingly. Famously, he offered to fight Ottke for 1 Euro, in Germany. Ottke turned it down.

Beyer was very similar in his avoidance of Joe Calzaghe, the reason both of these guys could afford to avoid Joe is because Joe was NOT marketable prior to Jeff Lacy, therefore there was no real reward factor for these bouts to take place.

Hopkins in 2001 agreed to terms with Joe Calzaghe, terms that Frank Warren say were heavily weighted towards Hopkins and unfair to Joe, but Joe was willing to take the hit in order to try boost his reputation - when they accepted and pen was put to paper, Hopkins renegged on the deal.

There goes the three fights people say Joe should have had between 2000-2004.

Take a look what happened as soon as Joe was marketable enough to get the bigger fights, he fought Lacy, he fought Kessler, he fought Hopkins and he fought Jones Jr - at a time where he could have continued making 5 million pounds for fighting Manfredo style fighters.

Even then, Pavlik ducked out of a fight with him to face Hopkins and got beaten, He wanted to face Tarver, Tarver lost to Hopkins - so he faced Hopkins.

Apply some logic to his career and realise, he fought the best at 168, tried to fight the best at 160 but the best didn't want to fight him and any attempts at getting Jones Jr to sign a contract with an unknown but dangerous fighter at that point was impossible.

 

With all due respect,if this true,then how did Bernard lose not once but twice to Pavlik and Froch ko victim Jermaine Taylor years before Hopkins and Calzaghe fought?I believe in the case of Pavlik,that Hopkins gave a boxing lesson to a very limited(albeit tough with good punching power)and mechanical fighter in Kelly.

 

Styles win fights, basically.

Taylor is not a bad boxer at all, he's actually a very good boxer - he suffers with stamina issues and he suffers with mentality, but the stamina wasn't as much of an issue due to the way that Hopkin's fought him.

Hopkins chose to fight him cautiously and that played into Taylor's weak stamina. Had Hopkin's employed the same gameplan he did for Tarver or Pavlik, he'd have easily beaten Taylor.

Hopkin's chose the wrong gameplan for Taylor and even so, I still had it 2-0 in scoring for Nard. I thought he was robbed twice.

 

Point well taken.However,if you're correct,then why did someone with the universally accepted massive boxing IQ of Bernard Hopkins not make the necessary adjustments in the second fight?The fact is that someone who is good but not great should not be outboxing(or appear to be,according to many and the judges) a universally excepted p4p top 5 fighter ON CONSECUTIVE OCCASIONS unless of course that p4p fighter just isn't as good as he used to be.You're right about the facts that styles make fights,but TWICE without the adjustments?

 

No chance he's too busy dancing

 

Who knows why Nard didn't make the adjustments, we saw him go out and blitz much better boxers in fights following when he did make those adjustments.

Fighters can have bad nights - age wasn't the reason for Hopkins losing, is all I'll say.