I am not buying the Lomachenko hype (poll added!)

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by BigBone, Aug 6, 2017.


Where do you rate Lomachenko pound-for-pound TODAY?

  1. P4P#1

    37.9%
  2. P4P#2

    6.9%
  3. P4P#3

    17.2%
  4. P4P#4-6

    23.3%
  5. P4P#7-10

    8.6%
  6. Not achieved P4P pro raking yet

    6.0%
  1. Todd498

    Todd498 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    LoooL :D I love it when poll results backfire.
     
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  2. like a boss

    like a boss Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :deal:
     
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  3. Farmboxer

    Farmboxer VIP Member Full Member

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    It's not Lomachenko hype, it's Lomachenko skills!!! He is the best boxer living today, perhaps ever!!!
     
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  4. khaosai galaxi

    khaosai galaxi Superbad Full Member

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    Floyd was never that highly regarded when he is operating at 130 and 135. It is his accomplishment on weight classes above that make people change his opinion of him.
    Loma and floyd at 130 is a 50/50 fight.
    I challenge you to dig what the p4p list look like and where floyd stand when he fought at 130 and 135.
     
  5. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    What an idiotic comment. Truly first class ignorance and idiocy right there.

    Oh he made Lomachenko look like an amateur alright. :lol: Solido literally had everything in his favor. The location, judges, referee and was a weight division above Lomachenko to boot and still almost got KO'd in the last round. Anyone dismissing these obvious realities is a moron.
     
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  6. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Since I can't recall mine or any writers' at the time, I'd imagine most sane ones had him at the lower-half of the top10, where a loss to Salido and wins over the likes of Russell, Walters and Marriaga qualifies Lomachenko.

    But then again, Floyd's resume had Genaro, Manfredy, this fella named Chico Corrales, Hernandez, Chavez, Castillo x 2 and N'Dou, with the closest of having an embarrassing Salido moment was vs. a future HOF, and he passed the test. So yeah, perhaps he did belong much higher than 9-1 Lomachenko at those weights, fair point mate, but no, it's still not a 50/50 fight, cause, you know, Floyd is better than this fella called Orlando Salido. :lol:
     
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  7. khaosai galaxi

    khaosai galaxi Superbad Full Member

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    Thanks for being honest about floyd stature at the time, I think most publications had him at around mid point on the top p4p but than again to be fair for floyd, the quality of the dynamite 10 at that time was higher than the current ones.

    Comparing resumes, you are right, floyd is light years ahead of Loma at the time, but also you have to admit that we are not talking about the Salido's Loma. He was being rushed for that fight and learn the lesson of hard knocks the tough way, current Loma would wipe the floor with that version.

    I conversed with another poster name tinman on another thread, he said that Pac will handle Wilfredo Gomez at 122 and azumah nelson at 126 with ease.
    That could not be further from the truth, he falls under the same assumption that because of what Pac had achieved at higher weight classes he would wipe the floor with those ATG at those weights.
    So for the floyd-Loma match up at 130, you should ignore what floyd has achieved at 135 and so on. Floyd at 130 and 135 at the time would be regarded around mickey Garcia level atm. And Loma was so highly regarded that he is probably the fav if the match up is made.

    I'm not saying floyd would have lose to Loma, but the perception wouldn't be far off from a 50-50 match up.
     
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  8. Gannicus

    Gannicus 2014 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Rigo vs Loma at 130 is a silly fight. Granted, it's a skills based fight so it wouldn't be just a complete walk over from the first round, but the size difference is stupid.

    If however, it's at 126, then that's a brilliant fight and it means a big deal for Loma's resume.

    You just know people will say 'Rigo was too small and was very old, yet he still managed to have some success before it ended'.
     
  9. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Perception of a 50-50 fight? Hell yeah, we can work with that, the thread's about The Lomachenko Perception, which is based on a handful of select fights, and the ignoring of one particular. Yeah, it would definitely be regarded as a hugely competitive match-up, the media is creating a bubble after all. Of course they did just that before the one ignored fight where Lomachenko actually met a true pro (= not always clean, not always legal, doing anything and everything for the win).

    Which is why when perception meets reality, Floyd, with his ATG inside skills, great adjustments, little moves, deceptive shots and power especially at lower weights, use of elbows and every borderline legal trick in the book, would absolutely massacre that boy. Lomachenko vs. Mayweather is only competitive in perception, where the Ukrainian is one of the 3 best fighters today, and say Terence Crawford isn't. Our poll reflect that perfectly. Too bad there's video evidence to the contrary.
     
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  10. khaosai galaxi

    khaosai galaxi Superbad Full Member

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    Yeah floyd did have all those skills you mentioned. It would be a tough fight for both. Lots of Floyd's opponent doesn't have great footwork and fight straight line and let's not pretend 130 floyd was a strong fighter. He was NOT. Great skill, speed and perfectly matched by Lomachenko. He has edge in defense but I think he might have to over focus on that as Loma will always be in front of him
     
  11. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

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    Lomachenko is a good fighter, but his fans are completely annoying. You read his fans, and instantly you have to make a titanic effort not to hate him.

    It's a pity, tbh, he deserves better fans.
     
  12. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Terence Crawford looked better in one fight than Lomachenko looked in his entire 9-1 career, and he beat an unbeaten top-class unified champ in a 4-belt historical showdown. Yet I'm sure many Loma fans rank him ahead P4P based on 'looks'. So I guess it's time to bring POWER into the conversation.

    Lomtards say 'don't underrate a skilled fighter without KO power' but how the hell is putting power behind shots with proper technique not part of the skill set? Or natural ability? Or both?

    Knockout makes professional boxing tick, it puts a$$es into seats and fights used to last until one ended on the floor for good. If one fighter is able to develop KO power in hard training and under skilled tutelage (cause I don't anyone at age 3 or 10 had that in him), and another not being able to turn the body and it's little pieces in 4-dimentions, there's a difference in ability.

    Crawford is objectively a better fighter based on 'looks', cause he can do whatever he wants from either stance, he has great composure, great timing, great variety of shots, kayo power and not a single loss. And he's objectively better, cause he cleaned out his division, beat then dangerous Burns on the road, top class Postol, Gamboa, now Indongo, and there's not a single loss in between his fights to no over the hill swarmer who can make an amateur legend look like an amateur. Yet, in some ppl's mind, hype beats objective reality, just because.
     
  13. Ronnie Raygun

    Ronnie Raygun Active Member banned Full Member

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    Only haters didnt recognize how great floyd was at 130. Stop trying to rewrite history Ring ,ko mag Hbo (the offical lomo cheer leaders ) had floyd highly ranked in the top ten .floyd wouldnt have lost to a Mexican gardner.floyd vs lomo at 130 or 135 floyd by homicide
     
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  14. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    Unless you're checking everyone's location or they have flags as avatars I'd slow down on that nationality bit.
     
  15. Ronnie Raygun

    Ronnie Raygun Active Member banned Full Member

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    The location the judge's and referee wasent in the ring to help salodo beat the crap out of lomo.Great fighters with broken bones over came more advisity then lomo and won why couldn't he that night ? Cause he aint the great fighters yall making him out to be