I am not buying the Lomachenko hype (poll added!)

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by BigBone, Aug 6, 2017.


Where do you rate Lomachenko pound-for-pound TODAY?

  1. P4P#1

    37.9%
  2. P4P#2

    6.9%
  3. P4P#3

    17.2%
  4. P4P#4-6

    23.3%
  5. P4P#7-10

    8.6%
  6. Not achieved P4P pro raking yet

    6.0%
  1. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    We're pretty much in agreement, mate. Hype train says P4P top 3 and Mikey not big enough though. :D THAT's the train I'm not buying a cheapo ticket for. Speaking of tickets, a poll asking the average buying audience who would they rather pay for blindly, Mikey or Loma, would not be very favorable for the TR/Atlas/Dealt_with crew.
     
  2. Gannicus

    Gannicus 2014 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    I didn't come across anyone hyping Loma before 2012 BUT I only started posting on forums in 2012 anyway so I wont know. Salido could still give Loma a tough time IMO, styles make fights. Salido is awkward, defends well to the body, doesn't give Loma any space, rough and aggressive and uses his strength advantage etc.
    I didn't predict the result correctly like most, but everyone who predicted Loma would lose were not actually correct in their reasoning. No one envisioned as much as 40 low blows setting up other shots & effective aggression, an incompetent ref, the WW Mayweather sized Salido.
    In addition, I didn't hear anyone else predicting what I did by saying Loma could be in trouble if his pacing strategy is off (which turned out to be the case) like it was with Ramirez debut fight as Loma's style relies heavily on pacing strategy, whereas it doesn't for someone like a Naoya Inoue for example.
    ...but yes, I admit Loma despite having a case for winning by 1 round, looked like a lost little boy.

    Mikey Garcia doesn't provide these threats, but physically he looks naturally a lot bigger than Loma and at 135 has a LOT of power and is still an intelligent fighter, so a win over Mikey at a weight that Loma is very small for, is an unbelievable win.
     
  3. Ilikeboxing

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    Before the fight I have Rigo beating him, after the fight I'm more sure than ever Rigo beats him. Loma does have thousands of dimensions, sure. Those dimensions are there to be exploited as well, an elite slick counter-puncher in Rigo will have no trouble catching Loma coming in. No doubt in my mind about that. Rigo hits harder than Lomo's last opp Marri as well.
     
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  4. FrankinDallas

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    I like the guy's ability but dang! Does Teddy Atlas have to constantly suck his Ukrainian
    sausage all day and night?

    And his silly in-ring glove waving antics last night were truly Broner-esque. Tim Bradley called
    it right...he's a bully. And no one likes a bully.
     
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  5. Gannicus

    Gannicus 2014 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    But you're comparing Loma to Mayweather now, I thought you were comparing to Ward who's P4P no.1..?
    Alvarez isn't as good as Mikey but actually I see your point (Mayweather at 154 and in his late 30's wasn't exactly prime either lol and it was an unbelievable performance - his second best performance for me).
     
  6. lepinthehood

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    I believe he is too small. LW being is maximum weight and he would struggle. But from 126-130lbs he is the best, thats 2 weight classes.
     
  7. dinovelvet

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    Turtle shell Marrigia is the perfect style to make Loma look good. These are decent opponents but their nowhere near good enough to get a guy to #1 p4p level , never mind all time great level.

    He needs to fight Rigo next and put that question mark to bed once and for all.
     
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  8. Gannicus

    Gannicus 2014 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    I personally have always felt Loma, who I suspect is a TBE level fighter, would be beaten by a genuinely elite 135lb rough, awkward, aggressive fighter.
    He's just not going to be the same at 135lbs. I don't want to see Loma ever touch 140 unless he wants to cherrypick a title against a no-namer.
     
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  9. lepinthehood

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    large sized lightweights around.
     
  10. Gannicus

    Gannicus 2014 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Don't you like any showboating? It's fun to watch but Loma does get a little too sadistic sometimes and it wasn't warranted especially when he hadn't even figured Marriaga out yet, and Marriaga was tagging him still here and there because of it.
    The one I disliked the least was when he winced in pain for Sosa when he landed the bodyshot on Sosa.
     
  11. Low-tech

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    He's wiping the floor with the pros. He's proved his talent for over 10 years without pay so I think he deserves his chance while he's in his prime. It would be criminal to have him fight bums in his prime just to please the likes of you.
    He's shut out 3 world class opponents and made them quit in his last 3 fights, even without your technical advice!
    Just imagine what he could achieve if you were his coach! Wow!
     
  12. Gannicus

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    I think he forces the current (good) crop of LW's to retire despite being the small man, and that includes Mikey. If someone makes it to 12th round, it means Loma has literally ZERO power at 135 and should go back down lol.
     
  13. lepinthehood

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    Ive said it before about showboaters, although it can be fun, when you are doing well or outfighting a really tough challenge, Leonard against Hagler. But if you are showboating against lower leveled fighters you look like a prat, and in which case you should have enough to Finish it in fashion. Atleast with ol naseem hamed, he was ready to spring out a cockscrew uppercut or straight left to lay his man out.
     
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  14. BigBone

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    Today, I wouldn't go as far. Prime for prime, I'd no doubt pick Rigo to win 7 out of 10 amateur meetings, cause his incredible and powerful counters are made to deal_with Loma's aggressive skilled boxing.

    In the pro's though, Rigo didn't quite develop enough, and he carries that amateur style perhaps even more than Loma today. He's now also much older, about 10 lbs apart in fight night weight and Top Rank would have the ref and judges on the payroll, can't pick him for the win. And yet, it still would be fun and and eye-opener for many.
     
  15. lepinthehood

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    Yeh but Mikey is basically now a 140lber. And looks alot bigger than Loma and natural at it. Alot of LW's wouldnt quit against Vasyl. He wouldnt have the firepower to do what garcia did to zlaticanin but he would eventually pick him apart, i think shafikov could keep up with him the distance and lose a decision, then bigger framed guys like robert easter would be a pain in the ass for loma. Linares has the speed to catch Lomachenko and hurt him thats a real fight, Richard commey may feel he could make pile foward and make loma work. I dont feel like these fighters would quit from being outclassed.
     
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