i am now convinced Thomas Hearns was the greatest ever!

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  1. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I see you've gone full clownshoes mode on us. Hagler LITERALLY walked Hearns down. It had nothing to do with a broken hand or massages or any of that BS. He LITERALLY walked him down and there was nothing Tommy was going to do about that. He hit Hagler with some of his best shots and they IMO didn't even stun Hagler. Some say he was briefly stunned, but I don't even buy that. Whatever you what to call it, he wasn't getting Hagler out of there. Again, you're fogetting that SRL ALSO walked him down in those last 3-4 rounds to win the fight. He wasn't gifted a decision, Tommy didnt' slip on a bananna peel, he was walked down by SRL and seemingly could do nothing about it. Take off your Tommy Hearns Onezee so you head can get some oxygen, clearly, you're being deprived of it with some of these posts I'm seeing
     
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  2. Eddie Ezzard

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    No he didn't. He was born in May 1952. The claims he was born in 1954 are recent. He was listed as being 28 when he beat Minter in 1980. Check it out.

    Even if you accept he was born in 54, he still retired aged nearly 33 having been a pro since he was 18 - hardly an 'extremely early retirement' as you call it. And he fought the likes of Bobby Watts, Ray Seales, Willie Monroe, Bennie Briscoe and Cyclone Hart in their own backyards between the ages of 20 and 23 (if you believe the 1954 birth date). That doesn't sound like a man who would go on to duck a fight against a man he had already knocked out in less than three rounds.
     
  3. Frankel

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    Hagler WAS 32 years of age when he quit the sport. Watts, Hart and Monroe were Class C level fighters, Seales was virtually blind and Briscoe was way over the hill. Thomas Hearns would be favored to crucify those fighters. You are wasting your time trying to sell Hagler to me, i am not a fan of his and never will be a fan. IMO Marvin is the most overrated fighter of the last 40 years, with his only claim of greatness being that he was fortunate Hearns broke his right-hand in the opening round. He certainly does not merit being rated in the Top 10 ATG 160lb champions.
     
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  4. Frankel

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    not a single post of mine is as laughable as this one from you. You are deluded if you think a broken hand is meaningless in a world title fight, it is not a case of banana skins, walk downs or gifted decisions, it was a case of a broken right-hand which you want to brush-over as being immaterial just like you brush-off the Hearns v Hagler rematch quote as also being a trivial immaterial matter. It shows to me that you were "Not around in that era" or you were maybe still in diapers.
     
  5. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So it is full clownshoes mode then eh Frankie? I never said a broken hand didn't matter, what I said is, it wasn't going to change the outcome of THAT fight. If someone gets a broken hand the first punch they throw, then yes, we may never know what was going to happen as we never saw them land big shots. That isn't the case here is it Frankie? We SAW Hearns land HUGE shots and they didn't absolutely nothing to Hagler. Which again is the point. We saw him land and they did nothing, so what would it matter if he broke his hand or didn't, he wasn't getting Hagler out of there. You have the two biggest fights of his career, and he was WALKED DOWN both times and seemingly COULD DO NOTHING ABOUT IT. If he could do something, why didn't he? Why was he walked down by Hagler, SRL, Barkley and had no answer. That is the material evidence here, not your supposition that Hearns "would've" won had he not had this happen. Those are facts not in evidence clownshoes. What is in evidence, is that Hearns was easily walked down in the biggest fights of his life and KO'd. Deal with it.
     
  6. JohnThomas1

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    Good on you Ezz!
     
  7. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    he's the greatest at 154 - next to Norris
     
  8. Frankel

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    It is obvious from your comments that you have never watched the Hagler vs Hearns fight. Because if you had viewed that fight you would have seen that it panned out nothing like you describe it, I also must question if you have watched Hearns vs Barkley and Leonard (1). I have 3 different versions on film of Hagler vs Hearns and all 3 commentators make claim "Hagler is hurt" along with comments like, "Hagler is covered in blood" and "Hagler is hurt and on unsteady legs"... those are comments from Ringside. Hearns ran and tried to box Hagler in rounds 2 and 3 due to the broken hand. Your claim of "Walkdown" is wrong, it never happened. Barkley was beaten to a bloody pulp, his face was hanging off and blood was pouring out of him. The referee was ready to pounce in and call an end to the massacre when Barkley lashed out with every ounce of strength left in his body, catching Hearns bang on the chin with a picture perfect left-hook and it was game over. Barkley broke Hearns nose in their second fight at 175lbs and Hearns looked like a Elephant Seal as his nose flopped around in the brawl. Barkley won via a shock split-decision. Leonard NEVER walked down Hearns, after 12 rounds Hearns was 7 points ahead on the judges scorecards. 7 points ahead against Sugar Ray Leonard gives you an idea of just how great a boxer Thomas Hearns was. Yet you are claiming "Hearns was easily walked down and that it is fact".. You are wrong.
     
  9. Unforgiven

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    Hagler destroyed Hearns.
     
  10. Unforgiven

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    Barkley beat Hearns twice.
     
  11. Frankel

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    clever boy
     
  12. Eddie Ezzard

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    Gotta question if you've seen the Barkley fight if you think he knocked Tommy out with a left hook. Oh dear. Have another look. And come back and describe it again for us.

    And Barkley's face wasn't 'hanging off'. That's how he looked. Iran was just really ugly!
     
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  13. Unforgiven

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    Hearns is the least of the "Fab Four".
    Clearly 4th place.
    The placings of the top 3 are debatable.
     
  14. Unforgiven

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    It's probably his lack of durability, an obvious fragility, that lets Thomas Hearns down when compared with the true elite greats of the sport.
    He just didn't have the requisite ruggedness that the absolute elite ATGs had, as someone already mentioned on this thread.
     
  15. Frankel

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    and you have over 42,000 posts ? not a bit of wonder the traffic on here is thin