I am shocked that so few people think that Joshua has a chance at this thing...

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by catchwtboxing, Dec 18, 2020.

  1. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Look, I think Fury will win it, but Joshua is a thoroughbred, a proud champ, and he is going to pull out the stops.

    I get that there is a contrast in some people's minds between the way Joshua lost to Ruiz, and the way Fury rolled Wilder, but, three points here:

    1) It was only two fights back that people thought Fury was finished, and were picking Wilder. A slight majority were saying that Wilder almost got him in the first fight, was going to finish the job, Fury looked like crap against Wallin, Fury just couldn't get his old form back...

    2) Fury is great fighter, but the second Wilder fight is his Ali-Williams, Tyson-Berbick, Robinson St Valentine'd say massacre against Lamotta, etc. He might never be that good again, and that is no knock against him, it is just that is how boxing works.

    3) Wilder sucks. He may hit a little harder than Joshua, but Joshua does everything else better. Wilder might not even hit harder, since Wilder's power is primarily against bums.

    Basically, I am trying to say that this is closer than people think. I expect Fury to win, but it would not surprise me if it went the other way, and I tell you, this is going to be a fight.

    Just my opinion.
     
  2. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Obviously, despite the insults heaped on the guy, the vast majority of boxing people and fans don't believe that.

    If they did, Fury's win this year wouldn't have been a big deal.

    And, it was.

    You aren't lauded as the athlete of the year and the boxer of the year and the RING champ if the guy you beat sucks.
     
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  3. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Jesus Christ, dude. The thread is only parenthetically about Wilder. Get off his nuts.
     
  4. Oddone

    Oddone Love child of Mike Tyson & Ronald McDonald Full Member

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    I agree with you and for me it’s 70/30 Fury.

    Now the reason I believe others see it differently is mainly because AJ got beat by the fat kid from UP (visually speaking as Ruiz has quick hands and a great chin) and then came back timid in Saudi Arabia.

    This stays in peoples mind more than him beating Pulev. He supposed to beat Pulev. He wasn’t supposed to lose to Ruiz.

    By contrast Fury came out timid in the first Wilder fight (timid only compared to the beast mode Fury of the second fight) content to just outbox a guy who couldn’t box. Fury came back more aggressive and showed he could sit down on his punches and manhandle Wilder.

    This stays in peoples mind because it was new and the last Fury they saw.

    So the last images in their mind is of A.J. playing it safe and of Fury obliterating Wilders soul.

    Thoughts?
     
  5. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Your whole argument is Wilder sucks. You wrote Wilder's name more than you wrote Fury or Joshua's. (LOL) Your three points are all focused on Wilder.

    People think Fury will beat Joshua because he beat Wilder.

    You think Wilder sucks.

    But, clearly, despite all the dumb threads on this board, when push comes to shove, "Wilder sucks" isn't the widespread opinion. Or beating him wouldn't matter much.

    And beating him was clearly a big deal.

    Don't get mad at me.
     
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  6. Kiwi_in_America

    Kiwi_in_America Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Joshua has at least a 40% chance of beating Fury.

    Don't underestimate the guy....
     
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  7. DosserTerminator

    DosserTerminator New Member Full Member

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    I think its a stylistic nightmare for AJ if he goes in light and tries to outbox fury he will lose there is no logical way he can win that if he goes in muscular he's still gonna be lighter then Fury and needs to ko him early otherwise fury will exhaust him and stop in around 9 rounds. Combine this with the fact AJ has only ever really fought smaller men except for Klitschko who was ring rusty and old and brezeale who is ****e I see nothing but a fury win.
     
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  8. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah, I mentioned that I think people are contrasting, but I think it is a bit of a false contrast, because two fights back, people were writing off Fury. These things change quickly.
     
  9. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I agree, while I favour Fury and always have it's not like this is in anyway a mismatch, Fury is the favourite but Joshua is a serious threat anyone thinking otherwise maybe in for a shock. I don't expect Fury to have it all his own way, he's not going to dominate Joshua like he did Wilder he will need to be far more careful and more defensive and will have to ride out the odd moment here and there. I expect Joshua to be a near constant threat throughout.

    I think most people realize this but fans talk trash saying it's the best fight out there but also a mismatch lol, which clearly shows some level of contradiction.
     
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  10. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think most people give him a decent chance and many of them favour him to win.
    That's why it's such an appealing fight.

    To me, I have to give Fury a 60% to 40% advantage.
    I would not be at all surprised if Joshua beats him (IF they fight in 2021). And I am one of those people who ALWAYS reckoned Fury to beat Joshua, if they are both fit.
    Joshua is a real challenge.
     
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  11. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Addict Full Member

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    People buy into hype too much. The fight could go either way. Also, people read too much into the Fury-Wilder rematch, since having fought Wilder before helped Fury make all the necessary adjustments to beat Wilder in the rematch and it certainly helped that Wilder didn’t make any adjustments from the first fight.

    Also, Joshua brings a different type of challenge against Fury than Wilder did and Joshua is more coachable and improving with every fight, so Fury would be a fool to underestimate Joshua.

    That said I really would Joshua would take Foreman up on his offer to help him on some of his fundamentals, since Foreman could really polish up Joshua’s footwork and uppercut.
     
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  12. Toney F*** U

    Toney F*** U Boxing junkie Full Member

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    It’s because Wilder was ridiculously overrated. When you beat someone who’s overrated you become even more overrated.
     
  13. Special one

    Special one Active Member Full Member

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    Yeah #WilderSucks let's get this trending...
     
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  14. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    My thoughts pretty much.

    Ruiz is a very, very different fighter from Fury and Wilder is quite different from AJ, so you shouldn't get hung up too much on those fights.

    This will likely be a very different fight to any of those. Wlad-Fury would probably be the most similar one, but I think AJ will study that one closely to try to not fall into the same rytm.
     
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  15. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    There's a lot of talk of Joshua gassing, but when has Fury ever held a very high pace through 12?
     
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