I am sooo sure that Solis will beat Vitaly that ...

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Gamboa Express, Jan 15, 2011.


  1. rayhogan

    rayhogan Dont worry Pac, you wont Full Member

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    Can somebody please tell gamboa express that the amatuers are far different then the pros? Yea Solis has fought many fights in the amatuers but seriously so what? The pros are far different. Hell Many fighters that are still undefeated in the pros, has lost in the amatuers like example Floyd Mayweather.


    Is Vitali past his prime? yea he is but is he still dominating ever since he came back from a 3 or 4 year layoff? Yup. Solis was having trouble with freaking bum Austin. I mean for real Austin? Gamboa, are you trying to say that Solis win over freaking Austin is better then the way Vitali beat between Sos or Briggs??? lol.
     
  2. Gamboa Express

    Gamboa Express Jeremiah 33:3 Full Member

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    Good post. It's very hard to say which Cuban had the strongest fists as there have been MANY. But your list is accurate but there are many many others with hands of stone in the Cuban amateur system. But Savón and Stevenson, man, they were simply monsters. Savón Ko'ed people with just 1 shot ( with head gear ) and Stevenson the same way...

    Remember David Tua? He had a fame in the pros of having a granite Chin ( and he did ) and Savón got rid of him ( with head gear ) in the 1st round !!!
     
  3. rayhogan

    rayhogan Dont worry Pac, you wont Full Member

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    So your saying Savon was better then a prime Lewis that fought Tua?
     
  4. Gamboa Express

    Gamboa Express Jeremiah 33:3 Full Member

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    Professional boxing is very similar to amateur boxing. The 3 main differences are #1- no head gear, #2- three times more rounds and #3- it's more violent. But boxing is always about hit and don't get hit, it's an art and the Cubans have perfected that art for more than 50 years. That's why they win so many Gold medals and are the #1 Gold medal winning Country of all times at the World Amateur Championships and at the Olympics Cuba is in the top 3 Countries of all times, ( sharing with Giants like the USA and Russia ).

    Now, Cuban fighters tend to lose focus and dedication once they get to freedom shores, ( some of them but not all of them ) as they have been their entire lives going through hell over there, so when they finally get a taste of freedom they go crazy trying everything. This is why many great Cuban amateurs in the pros have failed like Ramon Garbey, Iribarren, Jorge Luis Gonzalez and others.

    The bottomline is this, by being a great amateur a boxer already has a 85% success rate at the pro level, ( if he really takes it seriously ), because that amateur fighter already has almost everything needed and all the experience required to become a pro World Champion. It's up to him whether he takes it seriously or not !!!

    Boxing is Boxing ... :good
     
  5. Gamboa Express

    Gamboa Express Jeremiah 33:3 Full Member

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    Well my friend, Savón KO'ed Tua in the first round like nothing and Lewis couldn't KO Tua in 12 rounds ... You do the math. :good
     
  6. rayhogan

    rayhogan Dont worry Pac, you wont Full Member

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    So you saying Savon was better and hits harder then Lewis that fought Tua? lol. I can go on and on but the real bottomline is the amatuers is far different then the pros.



    You saying you're not biased towards Solis in which you say in your opinion you feel he'll beat Vitali???? :lol: Nobody here believes you cause it's easily obvious that you're way biased to a cuban fighter fighting for a world title.


    The way Solis fought vs Austin, if he fought like that vs Vitali, i guarantee Solis will get his a$$ kicked so bad that you will look at yourself in the mirror and say (I'm such a dummy) lol.

    Vitali is old and past his prime but i bet he will dominate Solis. And when he does, you better be here and admit you're way, way, way wrong and that you're biased to Solis cause he's cuban.
     
  7. rayhogan

    rayhogan Dont worry Pac, you wont Full Member

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    Then i guess it means you're an idiot. Congrats.
     
  8. Gamboa Express

    Gamboa Express Jeremiah 33:3 Full Member

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    Of course I will be here, but you?
     
  9. Gamboa Express

    Gamboa Express Jeremiah 33:3 Full Member

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    Why the insult? Did I insult you? Just because I am firm in believing in Solis doesn't mean that I am an idiot, respect other people. " Do onto others what you would like to be done onto you ".

    Insults don't resolve anything nor get people anywhere, they just add conflict. An eye for an eye always draws continuos violence, but giving my " other cheek " is what I am doing. ;)
     
  10. taobum70

    taobum70 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You say "if he really takesit seriously"...Solis is 40 pounds fatter than he was in his amateur days. He is a perfect example of not taking the sport seriously and deluding himself into statements about his body type being different. Besides, if boxing is boxing as you say, why do former amateur starts usually take 20 or more fights in the pros to fully develop their potential? Why is going from amateur to world por level in just 1 - 2 years, like Tyson did, the rare exception? Those differences you mention arehuge. Running is running, but a 5k and a marathon are very different races.

    If Ali, Foreman, Tyson or Lewis came 30 - 40 pounds overweight against Vitali, do you think they would beat him?
     
  11. rayhogan

    rayhogan Dont worry Pac, you wont Full Member

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    I call you an idiot because you actually think Savon is better and hits harder then a prime Lewis. Please wake up to reality gamboa express.
     
  12. Stevenson#1

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    Before all I would say that your wrong, the Cuban style of Boxing has nothing to do with "Amateurs" or "Profesional" styles ( there's very little difference anyway ) Its a style first developed by the great Kid Chocolate in the 30's. It's a style that if you watch it close enough you'll see that it takes more from the "Pro" game than the "Amateur" game , that's because in 1959 there was a
    " Revolution " in Cuba that outlawed Pro-Sports , so we had to work with what we knew at the time and that was Pro Boxing. It's a style that relays heavily in defence ( like all good Pros ) and punching accuracy . One of the best defence strategies is movement ( Dance ) and Attack ( the best way of defence
    is Attack ) . Like the cubans says " Dar y que no te den " wich means " Hit and try not to get hit " , next time you watch a Cuban in an Amateur fight try to picture him , while he's fighting , withaout a vest and head gear and you'll
    see what I mean , the coordination of movement , balance, accuracy , and Power, at the same time watch other Amateur fighters ( Russians, Ucranians ) or of any other country and you will see that there's something
    missing. Other mistake that people make about Cuban boxing is Training , they think that they ( cubans ) have the same Training Regime as theirs until they see them training , they can't believe that they train so hard ( for example : when Team Cuba arrived in Ireland for the 2001 World Boxing Champioships the first thing they did after 9 hours of flying was check in a hotel and find a Gym where they did a 8 hour training setion . ! 8 hours ! ) No other country in the Amateur game trains like that my friend , nobody , so tell me ? Is that Amateur behaviour or Pro ? Does " Amateur " fighters do that ? You well know the don't . To do this you need to be disciplined ( again a " Pro " trait ) and hungry ( Pro ) . This discipline the coaches try to teach from a very early age
    That's the first thing they teach in a Cuban gym to the kids ( 6 , 7 year olds )
    and it's constant , it never stops , after that they start teaching you Punching Accuracy , they literally teach you how to throw punches ( Jab , Oppercuts, hooks , etc ) some kids spend 5 , 6 months learning to throw ONE punch until they mastered enough and then move on to another type of punch, of course some kids get bored and quit , but the ones that stay and study find this very
    helpfull later on , if you want to punch with accuracy you have to know how to
    throw punches , I challenge you to find a Cuban boxer ( good or bad ) that throws badly ( like Klitschko's uppercut for example ) , of course some don't work enough in that departament ( Lorenzo Aragon comes to mind ) but most of them know , after Accuracy comes Defence and Balance ( Movement ) and this is relatively easy to teach in Cuba due to a Cuban trait that has nothing to do with boxing : Dance , most cubans of any race know how to dance , they know how to move in perfect coordination when music is played ( "Salsa" ) and with coordination comes Balance ( let me tell you that Balance is the most difficult thing to teach to foreigners when they go to Cuba to study boxing
    ( not to latins ) , at the end some get it some don't . The rest comes with fighting ( sparring ) , cubans are always fighting , either sparring or boxing
    in the many tournaments they have ( National Champioships , International,
    even NEIGHBOURHOOD Champioships ) so tell me isn't this a " Profecional "
    or a Amateur behiviour ? Every time I hear about the so called diferences
    between "Amateur" and "Pro" boxing It makes me laugh, like Gamboa Express
    explained it's all about ways of training and vestiment really, and this don't apply to Cuban boxing , believe on that one too , I tried more or less to give a
    picture of the way Cuban School of Boxing operates, it's a bit more complicated than what I just explained but still accurated, remember next time
    the argument about "Pro" or "Ams" comes it doesn't apply to cubans, also remember what I said at the begining , next time you watch a Cuban try to picture them with out the vest and head gear and you'll see what I mean. Peace, take care.
     
  13. Stevenson#1

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    Dude Savon hits much harder than a prime Lewis , everybody knows that, ask Lewis himself and he will say the same , by the way How old are you ?
     
  14. Gamboa Express

    Gamboa Express Jeremiah 33:3 Full Member

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    OK let's talk facts...

    Savón Ko'ed way more Heavyweights than Lewis any day of the week, so who hits harder?

    I can give you a beautiful list, Savón's KO percentage was around 96% !!!
     
  15. puertorricane

    puertorricane Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Lewis never fought Savon how he would know

    :hat