I Am Still Furious Over Margarito's Attempted Cheating

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Rico Spadafora, Jan 25, 2009.


  1. pipe wrenched

    pipe wrenched ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    also, IMO, saying he never had an Iron Chin takes away from the feat Mosley performed last night. It wasn't only the Cotto fight that we thought about, Margo takin' bombs, but remember Cintron can BANG too and he didn't hurt Margo either.

    Shane sure a **** did though.:bbb
     
  2. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    I am taking nothing away from Mosley who gave that joke Margarito an ass whipping. Shane made a fan out of me last night for sure.
     
  3. Club Fighter

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    Let's put things in perspective. At this point all this extra stuff is just speculation. You never know, maybe this was the first fight in which Margarito tried this but I do believe in the saying where there's smoke there's fire. If indeed his hands have been basically plaster of paris for a portion of his career it's definitely ignoble scumbaggery on his part yet it also highlights the inability of many professional cornermen to do their jobs and ensure the opposition's hands are wrapped properly. Both are inexcusable and not only do we have to hold fighters to a higher standard, we have to hold their corners to one as well. There's literally someone's life on the line.
     
  4. CzarKyle

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    Arguing what is the worst form of cheating is pointless. THEY ARE ALL BAD. The real 'red herring' is the opening of this post. If the supposed cheater lost, who cares? Why the anger? Do you feel ripped off that Mosley's victory now feels different? (Or maybe this guy's an extreme Cotto fan...) He obliterated the guy. This is like watching the New York Giants beat the New England Patriots in the Super Bowl and complaining about the loser cheating. THE 'CHEATER' LOST! Appreciate the fight for what really happened that night, not the pure spectacle that he might have been cheating in the past. Some people here need to watch what's important, not what a bunch of gossipy newbs would flame on and on about.

    Just to let you know before I posted this THERE WERE 9 POSTS ABOUT THIS ****. I bet there's at least four more popping up right now.
     
  5. Pug1list

    Pug1list Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Stop making assumptions, start another thread on Glass Jaws or Iron Chins.
     
  6. Sinew

    Sinew The Assassin Full Member

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    Well topic creator , I guess you should be still furious.

    And adding plaster to your hands and punching people with that hard shell inside your gloves ; I believe is much , much worse than steroid usage.

    From what we've seen with Fernando Vargas - He had an illegal substance in his system fighting De La Hoya - AND GOT DESTROYED

    James Toney fighting Ruiz under the same circumstances did no serious harm or damage to Ruiz in that fight. steroids are illegal but that doesnt instantly translate into hurting the other guy.

    Puttin plaster in your gloves is directly hurting your oppenent .
     
  7. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    Fans should be pissed. What if Margo hadn't been caught? How long has he been doing this? The
    integrity of the sport should be important to fans. Fighters cheating compromises the integrity of the sport. People generaly don't get caught cheating on the first try. In every sport, fans do not look kindly to cheating.
     
  8. Jeff M

    Jeff M Future ESB HOF Full Member

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    Doing steroids for one fight in the weeks leading up would not have given Shane much of an advantage anyway. It's nothing compared to loading you're gloves up with bricks. Also Shane had said a former trainer had given him the stuff and didn't tell him what it was. The guy's law suit got dropped which might mean Shane was being honest about it. Shane's like the only athlete that has sued Victor Conte the former head of BALCO so maybe they did lie to Shane and he's been honest if he is willing to risk his reputation by suing the guy. And look at Shane's body. It's always looked the same. He didn't start looking drained or anything like all those baseball players.
     
  9. CzarKyle

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    What's that? Cheating is bad? No way.

    I bet you're getting sick of this overblown sarcasm. Look, certain things happen. Cheating happens. You can complain all you want about it, but if you're going to raise hell over this. I expect it every ****ing time. But get this, the cheater LOST. Seek retribution elsewhere. Beating on a possibly unknown subject is a lost point. Margs was pummeled. I understand that cheating is bad, but this is a crazy tangled cluster**** of standards and the 'posters' that use them. That's what draws my fire.

    Thank you for engaging your intelligence. For you BigReg, I will certainly give you respect and no more sarcastic comments. Sorry for my caustic attitude, but I feel that certain 'posters' love to run around with a proverbial bullhorn in their hands. Unfortunately, the internet is that place where you can do that kind of ****.
     
  10. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    Assumptions? :lol::rofl:patsch Margacheato was caught RED HANDED by the California Boxing Commission.

    Also, his supposed Iron Chin (which never existed) was also exposed. Iron Chinned fighters do not get schooled like Margarito was. I am not saying Margacheato has a Glass Jaw but it is far from an Iron Chin. Jake La Motta was probably laughing at Margarito last night.
     
  11. Lampley

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    Question: What the **** are you so angry about?

    Cheating is wrong and you seem to acknowledge that, and surely you could understand, say, a Cotto fan getting particularly bent out of shape.

    Of course, it's partly Cotto's corner's fault if they didn't do their jobs properly, but still Margarito and his team are the obvious culprits. We don't know that Margo had loaded gloves in the Cotto fight, but the question is a legitimate one. It's not like Mosley was the first big fight of his career.
     
  12. BewareofDawg

    BewareofDawg P4P Champ Full Member

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    Slow down pimp :lol:
     
  13. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    I will rerer back to a point that Hall Of Fame trainer Manny Steward made last night:

    He said that many trainers simply treat the wrapping of the hands as a FORMALITY and do not inspect the wraps like they should.


    Nazim Richardson knows what he is doing. Hopefully from now on everyone pays more attention to this process before the fight.
     
  14. CzarKyle

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    I'm angry because Mosley put on one hell of a show, and this topic nearly dominates the board! It's a goddamn waste of time. I'd understand two posts, maybe three/four because the other poster(s) was too ADD to realize the topic is already up. Seriously, if there is obvious proof, then he did it.

    And yes, he probably feels ripped off that now Cotto doesn't get his chance for revenge. Maybe this guy should have been pissed at Mosley for ruining what he might have wanted to see. This is boxing, and has been boxing. Cheating is obviously bad, and not cheating is good. (See that? It's more sarcasm). Since these points are established why is someone still furious about it? Why isn't someone proud of the fact that the 'cheater' got his due? Why is Rico still pissed? It makes no sense.
     
  15. Lampley

    Lampley Boxing Junkie banned

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    Gotcha. I think there's a bit of shock effect happening, though. When was the last time a fighter was accused of plaster? Everyone remembers the hand wrapping issue in Hopkins/Trinidad, but that's minor league stuff compared with plaster. If it's as bad as it sounds.

    And agree that Mosley's performance should and will be primarily remembered as the story of this fight. But if people want to rant a little today about Margarito, I'm OK with it. (But they probably ought not post so many new threads.)