I beg of you please READ, Hopkins vs. Pascal

Hozumi's Hook · Dec 18, 2010

I just wasted my time reading this piece of ****.

Can I have it back please?

bballchump11 · Dec 18, 2010

Reppin501 said: ↑

I apologize, this is totally my bad, I didn't clarify in the initial post that this thread is intended to be "*** Free", I'm pretty inclusive generally but I just don't think I can stomach it tonight. I think there's a post over in the lounge about farts, and maybe one about "would you suck dick for a million dollars" that might be more suited for your frame of reference. Again sorry dude, I will be more specific next time.
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:rofl:rofl:rofl I feel for you though man

KillSomething · Dec 18, 2010

Truth. Though I thought Gray was pushing it with Pascal. I was all about him stating that Hopkins won though, that was class. But come on, you're never going to get a fighter who won/drew to say he thought he lost...there's just something wrong about that lol

VIP · Dec 18, 2010

Great post.

I agree...tonight was suppose to be his night, and he did everything he needed to do despite getting KD twice to win that fight. Boxing fans missed out too. He schooled Pascal.

Even if there was a rematch it doesn't erase this night plus he ain't getting any younger.

PetethePrince · Dec 18, 2010

Pascal won round 4? Really? Says who? Not Bernstein or Tarver.

Reppin501 · Dec 18, 2010

cuchulain said: ↑

Settle yourself down there Rep.

Your passion is admirable but you're getting carried away.

Well, see, there's part of your problem.

Analysis is what leads observers to come up withn their takes on what the score should be.

Pascal won the first four rounds, two of them 10-8.

So Bernard is trailing 40-34 heading into round five.

If he wins ALL EIGHT remaining rounds, he pulls out a 114-112 victory.

This is precisely how the American Judge saw it.

The Belgian judge and the Canadian judge each found one of the last eight rounds to give to Pascal.

(IMO, Pascal pretty clearly one the 8th)

So by your reckoning, anyone who gave Pascal any one of the last eight rounds was robbing Hopkins and , more than that, robbing boxing ?

You're normally a well balanced poster, but as I said, getting a little over the top here.

Not even close to a robbery.

A great performance from Bernard, and a rather shitty performance from Jean after the first few rounds.

But in rounds, 6-6, 7-5 0r 8-4 , for Bernard are all reasonable. And combining that with the two KDs, all three scorecards were well within reason.

There was only ONE Canadian judge, same number of Canadian judges as American judges.

And as I've explained, there was nothing disgraceful about the decision.
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Thanks for the balanced poster comment, I appreciate that, because I do try to not be a complete ****** for the most part. I think the 3rd should have been 10-9 round as I thought Hopkins clearly won it other than the KD. I felt that the first round KD was clearly in the back of the head, but even assuming you don't agree with that, the KD that Hopkins had later in the fight that was ruled a slip when there is no question Pascal was hit with a hook first and then with a short right to the head and went down. Now don't get me wrong, in typical circumstances I wouldn't have a problem with the ruling, but the precendent for how the fight was going to be officiated had already been set, and per that precedent it should have been a KD. Sorry, that **** really doesn't matter, because it's "what if's" and I hate that **** typically. Based on what happened and how the fight went, I felt Hopkins did win the last 8 rounds and won the fight going away. I will have to rewatch the fight again, to literally score it out, but bottom line he beat the ****ing dog **** out of Pascal and EARNED the win.

Badgeronimous · Dec 18, 2010

It's not a major robbery.

However, the first knockdown shouldn't of been called, it wasn't a knockdown. The second was a flash knockdown, right of the end of a round that was prior to that a Hopkins round, clear. That's a 6pt swing right there.

I mean, Hopkins could easily of won this fight, 118-110 but for those KD's. Nobody would of complained if the knock downs never happened, and those scores were called.

I think that is what makes it seem more of a robbery than it really it.

Hopkins won the fight, and won the fight clearly. However, boxing isn't always about that, you need to score points and win rounds. Pascal scored the points, and although IMO is a very, very lucky man to be walking out the ring still champion, well... that's how boxing is sometimes.

Pimp C · Dec 18, 2010

Great thread reppin I couldn't agree more.

Hozumi's Hook · Dec 18, 2010

PetethePrince said: ↑

Pascal won round 4? Really? Says who? Not Bernstein or Tarver.
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Ye he didnt but Tarver had Pascal winning the fight by a plausible score of 114-112.

NoCoolFool? · Dec 18, 2010

Reppin501 said: ↑

Thanks for the balanced poster comment, I appreciate that, because I do try to not be a complete ****** for the most part. I think the 3rd should have been 10-9 round as I thought Hopkins clearly won it other than the KD. I felt that the first round KD was clearly in the back of the head, but even assuming you don't agree with that, the KD that Hopkins had later in the fight that was ruled a slip when there is no question Pascal was hit with a hook first and then with a short right to the head and went down.
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C'mon...I thought you were arguing Hopkins sweeping the last 3/4 of the fight. But this above, makes your whole rant ridiculous.

Reppin501 · Dec 18, 2010

Badgeronimous said: ↑

It's not a major robbery.

However, the first knockdown shouldn't of been called, it wasn't a knockdown. The second was a flash knockdown, right of the end of a round that was prior to that a Hopkins round, clear. That's a 6pt swing right there.

I mean, Hopkins could easily of won this fight, 118-110 but for those KD's. Nobody would of complained if the knock downs never happened, and those scores were called.

I think that is what makes it seem more of a robbery than it really it.

Hopkins won the fight, and won the fight clearly. However, boxing isn't always about that, you need to score points and win rounds. Pascal scored the points, and although IMO is a very, very lucky man to be walking out the ring still champion, well... that's how boxing is sometimes.
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Good Post, extremely sensible. Hopkins still got ****ing robbed and I want to hear it from the mouths of the "Kotelnik fans"...lol, nah actually I feel better just getting that initial junt off my chest.

Tony OldSchool · Dec 18, 2010

The knockdows were both good calls and Hopkins butted/tripped Pascall down.

Reppin501 · Dec 18, 2010

NoCoolFool? said: ↑

C'mon...I thought you were arguing Hopkins sweeping the last 3/4 of the fight. But this above, makes your whole rant ridiculous.
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Hopkins did sweep the last 8 rounds (the 8th I think...could have been Pascal) but I thought Hopkins won the 4th so either way he won 8 rounds at least, and to be real the part about the "Knock Down" is controversial I feel ya', but that's just a "what if opinion", but the 10-9 3rd round I stand by as Hopkins clearly won the round prior to the flash KD.

dubace · Dec 18, 2010

it wasn't worse than calzaghe and taylor 1.

NoCoolFool? · Dec 18, 2010

Reppin501 said: ↑

Hopkins did sweep the last 8 rounds (the 8th I think...could have been Pascal) but I thought Hopkins won the 4th so either way he won 8 rounds at least, and to be real the part about the "Knock Down" is controversial I feel ya', but that's just a "what if opinion", but the 10-9 3rd round I stand by as Hopkins clearly won the round prior to the flash KD.
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Who cares if you scored the third 10-9? Most judges will score it 10-8. It is not controversial. It is a legitimate 10-8 score.
So now you have the fight within a couple of points. What about the 8th? I scored it for Pascal. Have to watch it again...It was close.

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