I Bet A Peak James Toney Could Give Greb A Hard Night

GREB would teach Toney what a "born fighter" was

 

Wasnt Toney in his prime when he won a robbery over Tiberi? Didnt Tiberi beat (unofficially) with volume punching, activity, aggression, and keeping Toney off balance and moving backwards? Greb was miles better than Tiberi and so much more experienced there really is no comparison. I dont think Toney threw enough or hit hard enough to keep ahead of Greb on the cards. Hed win rounds at best but hed be outpointed. If he showed up not at hos best, which he did quite a lot, Greb wins a WIDE decision.

 

In his prime yes. In shape no.

 

It would be a good matchup .........Toney was second to none fighting inside and midrange as long as he could be stationary his chin? forget about it but Greb was a whirlwind that would not shy away from engaging Toney...I have Greb by decision at 160-168-175 he was way to busy for Toney

 

What weight are we talking about? 160 or 235? Below 168 Greb (the two eyes Greb) wins UD, 168-175 too close to call , 175+ -1500 Toney wins by eating Greb entirely.

 

Wasn't Toney worse at 168-175 than 160?

 

I don't so. He was weak at 160...the Tiberi fight...but won 11 in a row at 168 before losing to Jones. He had a good record at LWH.

 

I imagine Dave Tiberi to be a 4th rate version of Greb.

Greb's style, so much as it is understood, is a nightmare for Toney.

 

I probably would if only we had video of Greb. Aside from the Tiberi fight which was an outlier on the low end of the bell curve of James awesomeness he ate Iran Barkley alive, and outclassed a tough southpaw in Vasilly Jirov. Toney's uppercut was beautiful when picking off body punches https://i.imgur.com/WsXJxhY.mp4

A swarmer is probably the worst style to have consistent success against him. We haven;t seen Greb fight but we know his reputation. His reputation would just happen to feed into one of the most gifted counter punching games the boxing ring has ever seen.

 

If Tiberi was an outlier, what were Thadzi and Griffin.... One might even ask Williams, too, tho not sure that is entirely fair.

 

The issue is James is a known quantity and the thread is about the Peak version of him. The one who fought Nunn, Barkley and Jirov feasted on swarmers.

Serious question, we know Greb had 8 losses. What style tended to give Greb problems? I honestly don't know. Perhaps @klompton2 could enlighten me. He wrote the book on greb and probably knows much ore than any of us. I know Tunney gave him problems, but who were the others and how did they fight?

 

Greb has a resume of success against 13 Hall of Famers. That's as much a known quantity as one can be. As far as crafty fellows, there were plenty, Tunney, Rosenbloom, Flowers, Walker, Gibbons (both) Miske, Blackburn...

 

There is a different level of known. James is known because we can see nearly everything he did in a ring. The same way Greb is unknown because we have only second hand sources. So greb beat some crafty fighters, Toney destroyed some swarmers. You brought up Toney's loss to swarmers so I am interested in any Greb Losses to counter punchers. Turn about is fair play when dealing with ATG's and Greb's losses.

 

I don't think "swarmer" descrbes Greb. You always read statements from opponent s that it felt like the guy "had ten arms", "a box of gloves fell on me", etc. A unique, one of a kind style that NO ONE else ever had. Not Armstrong. Not Pryor. Definitely not anyone Toney fought. In a The Ring article from decades 70 ago, one sparring partner said he feinted ever good fighter he sparred from that period out of their shoes, but every time he tried to feint Greb, Harry knocked him on his ass. Toney the counterpuncher would be recountered 15-1. After facing the greats Greb faced, Toney would be like a boy to a man w/ "The Wildest Tiger". Be like Moore vs. DURAN, Gomez-LaPorte, Clay-Liston 1. Class would be in session!

 

I'm not going to buy into anything I haven't seen myself. Especially when such overwhelming hyperbole is used. Greb was for sure an absolute whirlwind but James fought some guys who would fit that description and dealt with them very well. I am asking the legit Greb expert on this site who troubled Greb. I wonder his thoughts on what James TOney could do to a guy he clearly has thouroughly researched.

You aren't really helping your case by comparing Greb to Duran, Ali and Gomez considering all fought with very different styles with different objectives for each fight. You haven't seen film on Greb and neither has anyone else. But from what I've watched of Toney at his best I highly doubt any swarmer has an easy time with PEAK Toney