I can never understand hating Ali

I have a feeling you may not be with us much longer,....

Why!? where is he going!?..Funny how he demands we elieve and agree with him when hes bullshitting..but when YOU do your actual homework we are treated as idiots and propaganda lovers eh!!!

 

Hitler's aggressive foreign policy is considered to be the primary cause of the outbreak of World War II in Europe. His antisemitic policies and racially motivated ideology resulted in the deaths of at least 5.5 million Jews, and millions of other people whom he and his followers deemed racially inferior.

See if you can manage to read that. Then go and phone Michael Grove.

You might like to look up the word " primary "

As for how long I'm here, I couldn't care less, cry to the mods if you feel that strongly about it, my little ego maniac chum.

 

No crying from me ,you are a source of entertainment, limited but still a source.

I'll take this slowly my old mate.

Without the Treaty Of Versailles ,and the punitive reparations demanded of Germany , Hitler would not have risen to power.
The Treaty was the fulcrum on which he could focus , and capitalise on all the resentment that Germany felt,and then use it as the catalyst that swept him to power.
Without that anger, and resentment [ and you surely know a bit about that!] Hitler could not have attained political power.
Why do you keep repeating how many Jews, and others Hitler had killed?
My ex -wife lost relatives in the Holocaust,Im not unaware of its casualties.

I think it's pretty common knowledge you know.

The original point was how the origins of the war came into being.
The Treaty Of Versailles is given as the most significant cause of it and as such is taught in Uk schools/colleges today. Check it out.

NB The Minister For Education is Michael Gove, not Michael Grove, your grasp of English politics seems as shaky as your grasp of Germany's.
Have a lovely day sunbeam.:hi:

 

I don't underestimate him. He was a pure puncher. Other than his HUGE right hand, he was barely a world class professional.

What the ...heck are you taking about?

When I say finished, I mean that if the other guy could survive his best punch it usually meant that he was going to lose. What was the ref supposed to do, let Holmes beat him to death in order for the win to be convincing enough for you?

I like the way you keep talking about how Shavers was "past it". You telling me that he didn't know how old he was when he signed the flippin' contract?

If Quarry, Stander or Chuvalo weren't taking a pounding from Frazier, you might have more of an argument, it's not like one of them had a 14-0 lead and got stopped on cuts in the 15th. They didn't even make it to the halfway point of those fights.

And when did a cuts stoppage somehow become cheating? You don't want to get cut, get out of the way of the fricken punch! Or better still follow Bernard Hopkins' advice "If you don't want to get a bruise, you should take up golf."

You probably think Quarry must have cheated. Stander and Quarry stopped Shavers. Frazier stopped Quarry (twice) and Stander.

The two Jimmy Young fights and the Ellis fight earned him a shot at Ali? To quote a famous tennis player: You can NOT be serious!

His fights with Young and Ellis were 3 & 4 years before he fought Ali. Right after he beat Young and Elllis, he was beaten by Quarry and Stallings. Then after his draw with Young, he was beaten by Lyle.

He did NOT earn his shot. It was a gift.

That English as a first language course not working out so well?

You can debate on whether or not Ali earned his shot at Liston. The difference is that Ali won. But Liston was cut in the fight; so he must have cheated, right?

 

that's usually how that works.

 

most ppl du not now haw 2 skor faits

d ref shud hev disqualified Holmes 4 cheating , dis is wot e ref iz 4 , 2 en4c d ruls wich Larry Holmes ujuali vayol8ed

not hiz folt det hi nided d many. Stil no jastifikeishen 4 triting it ez if it woz e praim Shavers in der

Cuts & facial damage in zis sport result from cheating mor ofen dan most now

shud i ripit d wol Ali vs Liston dib8s hir ?
Wer 2 circus shows

 

Ali gets a lot of hate because so many of his defenders go completely over the top about him. I mean look at very post written by yellowmustard. And now we have thread devoted to heaping ridicule on anyone that thinks the Ali-Liston fights were fixed (they were) or that Norton got stiffed in the third fight with Ali (he was).

He was a great fighter, probably the best HW ever but does he really need you guys licking his toes every day?

 

Why not just ignore them? What they crave is attention ,I don't give them any.

 

More than he deserved I know that!..This thread has lost its YELLOWMUSTARD!!!:yep

 

I don't hate Ali at all but I do think he gets more "love" than he deserves and it distorts the way people think about him as a fighter. I think Ali is rather overrated as a fighter, as a boxer. I mean, how many times can you lose to Ken Norton and still call yourself The Greatest with a straight face? How many times can you be nearly KO'd by Henry Cooper?