I did some reaserach on Margarito and i think we all underestimated him...

Guy, I've been saying this on here for years now. It's been there for everyone to notice. Not saying that you should have before because maybe you don't frequent often, but it's been here.

But good on you to recognize this. What most of the newbies on here don't realize is that not everyone has it the easy way coming in. Guys who off the top of my head like McCline for example, didn't have it easy. Sam Peter had a very brief AM career before going pro. It just makes you think twice about these guys when you consider they are on the job training.

And even the Santos loss. How many guys would go to a foreign nation, against an opponent 15lbs over the weight limit on fight night? Not many to be sure. Margarito has proven time and time again he fears nobody. And that can at least be partially responsible for his record. Even the best of yesteryear had losses to one another. That is how it works when you aren't protected. And it is also what makes the sport worth watching, not theorizing.

 

are you sure you are a pbf fan? i mean you actually did some research on the matter and came to your own informed conclusion. unlike many of the floyd boys out there.

j/k props to you for actually taking time to do the research and form a logical and now truly unbiased opinion.

 

It's refreshing to hear from a Mayweather fan give an objective opinion on Margarito. I have been a fan of Margarito's for almost 3 years now, and have always felt he would be a very difficult fight for PBF, and even have a very good chance of beating him. Reading articles on him on Maxboxing has made me appreciate Margarito as a fighter for some time now, and I'm glad, also hoping, that more people start doing the same.

 

He was rated fine in my opinion, just underrated in terms of world class performance. Margarito's style and plan is pretty obvious and doesn't require much to figure out but it's really difficult to handle it in the ring even though his abilities are very obvious, chin and stamina. Though in the ring when you face a guy who keeps coming and coming taking your best punch over and over it tends to be intimidating and confidence wrecking.

 

i think all Mayweather fans will admit that him fighting Margarito would be tough. i'm not saying either way who would win, just for the main fact that it would DEFINITELY be a tough fight. personally, i c ways that both fighters would dominate the other so it's a coin toss for me.

 

Mayweather has been my favorite fighter of the past 8 years.....and i would love for him to fight Margarito. I was hoping he would fight Cotto but since Marg did it to him, Marg is number 1.

It would be his toughest fight since he fought JLC.

And if it were to happen, my prediction would be a very hard fought close decision for Mayweather as he has what it takes, more than anyone, to maintain the hard pace of outboxing Marg as he comes in and not to mention his incredibly underrated inside fighting abilities.

All in all it would be a very interesting fight.

 

yea those early losses are a little misleading. but **** the way i feel is if you are at the elite level and never lose it means you haven't fought everybody. there are many good guys who get no credit . losses are a way for them to discredit you. they say jack lost to joe but jon beat joe so joe would school jack. but they don't realize every fighters strongpoints are different so different guys can pick you apart in different ways.

 

I was a fan of Margs since Mayorga ducked him

I think it was after he KO'd 6 heads lewis Margs put on a shirt it said we want Mayorga and Mayorga never even mentioned Margarito's name.

He has always wanted the toughest fights but not vise versa

Margs fights in foreign islands fights men when he was 15 takes on mandatories and fights undefeated fighters as a underdog

He has never taken the easy way out thats what I liked about him

 

old news.....we boxing fans knew this of Margarito....a Mayweather fan thats why you dont know....not to bash you but Im a Mayweather fan also...but this is what I call an MTV fan (someone here because of what they saw or heard due to hype...a casual fan only a big fight watcher but only if everyone is going to watch it) the same people who dont like their own music but if MTV says an artist is #1 then above person has to get the cd,the ringtone, add them as a myspace friend etc......The MTV Fan......and yeah I'm venting


:finger5 but welcome to the East Side........of Boxing

 

It does help to actually watch the fights and not just look at boxrec.com.

It also helps to understand style matchups......
....anybody moving up from the lower weight classes to fight Margarito, I dont care how skilled they are, is going to find themselves with a real dillema to solve.

Emmanuel Steward who I dont always agree with, said it best on the HBO broadcast......"Margarito is'nt the best skilled fighter.....but its going to be extremely difficult for any naturally smaller fighter to hold off Margarito for 12 rounds!"

If you understand matchups, you'd understand that Margarito would likely suceed against a highly gifted but smaller boxer, and likely struggle against a highly gifted bigger fighter.

.....so when a talk of a matchup of Mayweather vs Margarito arises.
Naturally, Mayweather is hands down the better skilled fighter, as was Cotto......but now you throw in other variables like size, chin, stamina, workrate.......and all of a sudden you can see where its quite possible that all of these attributes that Margarito posseses maybe able to neutalize a gifted fighter like Floyd Mayweather.

.....certainly its not quite cut and dry as the scenario posters like PimpC who only see pure skill as a factor, have made it out to be over the last couple of years.

 

He's 2-2 against titleholders.

People are going way overboard here.

 

You make some good point..However one thing has remained the same thoughtout Margos career...He loses to big fighters PEROID all but one of his loses have come vs fighters that were as tall or taller then him, the other were he was in with a mover that wouldnt stand in front of him in Dixon...I saw a shitload of Margos early fights there use to be on FSN west.

The difference between floyd and cotto is that floyd can actaully fight the style that Cotto used in the first five rounds and do so without being hit. Cotto gets hit in all his fights vs everyone, its no shock that he was knocked out by Margo not to me, as I stated before the fight If Cotto couldnt say away he would get knocked out.

As far as Amateur loses...Well Jones had no amatuer career and only stated boxing at 21 by which time Margo has been fighting for some years, he actaully started fighting at a yound age 6 or 7 I believe is what they said once. So in that sence he is no different then the other top fighters. Turning pro young isnt an excuse for losing fights, other fighters have done that as well Juan Diaz turned pro at 16 in 2000 and didnt lose a fight until this year at age 24. That is no excuse. Margo just fought some guys that were tough enough to take what he had and beat him.

 

Hudson, wasn't gonna comment on this but before I go for the day..

Larry Dixon and Rodney Jones were grown men, both undefeated and both looking really to move on up. Margarito was a young boy when he fought both of them. Now I don't know about you but I don't recall Mayweather, or Cotto, or DLH, or really anyone else offhand from this generation fighting older, undefeated pros in their first 10 professional fights. Maybe they did and I haven't noticed, but I'd be surprised.

I was also going to comment on the Mayweather matchup. You seem to believe that Mayweather would do a much better job of boxing and moving on Margarito but I have some skepticism about that. I think if Margarito ignores the head early on and for the first 6 rounds or so just beats up on Floyd's arms and body, he would have wore Floyd out enough to slow him down for the second half. Floyd has less power than Cotto even and it would inspire Margarito to press harder.

There were a good amount of bodyshots ignored in the Cotto fight that seem evident with people giving Cotto all of the first 6 rounds. Granted I think Tony probably spent a little too much time head hunting, but against Floyd I can see him going after the body most of the fight. He's gonna know that Mayweather can't hurt him. So in response to that his only concern should be to slow Mayweather down. Take his legs from him. No better way to slow down his punches either than hitting him right in his shoulders, in his gloves and in his elbows.

Castillo had to respect Mayweather's power at 135. Corrales did at 130 as well. Margarito is a different beast. He will walk right into Floyd's punches without concern. That is a significant advantage.