I do agree with GG in this aspect that

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  1. BlizzyBlizz

    BlizzyBlizz Loyal Member Full Member

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    he said no to a catch weight fight if he gets the chance to fight the winner of Cotto Canelo.

    People talk about 155-160 is MW. Who the **** fights catch weight fights in the same division? Catch weight fights usually are two guys coming together from two different divisions. Floyd didn't get full credit for beating Canelo at 152 when he let Dlh come in at 154. That proved how guys like Floyd AND Pac used their leverage in some situations. I didn't like it, but the other guy wanted the pay day so I watched.

    To me you're looking for some sort of advantage by even coming out and saying that you're not a true MW. It's not a sign of being scared. You're looking to weaken the other guy imo. I don't need the casuals opinion on this. They don't know and don't care about weight, but us diehards do.

    Again, I commend GG. GG can seek fights with other guys or move up. After Cotto and Canelo fight, who is their big pay day after that? GG might be the "B" side against either of those guys if he keeps on winning, but after the Cotto Canelo fight, if they don't fight GG...who can they fight that could generate money.

    What's the most ppv's Cotto and Canelo sold without Pac or Floyd's name?
     
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  2. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Whatever it is, that number is likely to change within a month.

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  3. BlizzyBlizz

    BlizzyBlizz Loyal Member Full Member

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    I'm asking what are their numbers now? Lol:lol:

    Rums, they might be the A side against anyone other than a Pac or Floyd but who can they fight on ppv and make that ppv money if they don't fight GG. Lee, maybe the Charlo brothers...Quillin like who lol? If anyone can name someone name them if I missed them(being sarcastic). GG isn't in a bad position if he refuses to fight the winner at a catch weight.
     
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    N17 Loyal Member Full Member

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    I agree, I also have a problem with world title fights at a catchweight, if you call yourself a middleweight champion then you fight at 160 limit.

    It's really is that simple, if you don't want to fight at 160 then move back down. Nobody has forced Canelo or Cotto to fight at middleweight. They have moved into Golovkins weight class, they are not being asked to do anything unreasonable by fighting at the middleweight limit.

    Canelo and Cotto are looking for a way out of fighting Golovkin in my opinion, they are making excuses early so when they insist on a catchweight and it is rejected they don't look like they had no intention of fighting Golovkin. They will say "we tried but couldn't agree".

    Oscar was asked if Canelo would be fighting Golovkin after Cotto and his reply was "eventually", that tells me all I need to know about their intentions, they either want a weight drained Golovkin or they will wait it out.

    Cotto has made it clear he won't fight Golovkin at 160, that's never going to happen.

    The winner of Canelo Cotto will either drop the belt, get stripped or be allowed to have another defence or two depending on what they agree with the governing body.
     
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  5. Leoh

    Leoh Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I believe Cotto vs Martinez was around 300k in PPV buys. I doubt it'd be much less if it was GGG fighting Martinez.
     
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  6. BlizzyBlizz

    BlizzyBlizz Loyal Member Full Member

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    Cotto Margarito did pretty good but who was the A side? Canelo was the A side against Lara and that did ok. I'm glad that the winner won't be able to milk the title.
     
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  7. mrdoctor

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    Don't forget they still will have the RING belt thus still claiming to be the lineal mw champ..the ring belt will be a hostage for s long time I'm afraid
     
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  8. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    In my mind, the bigger point is, that even if GGG makes more money for the Cotto-Canelo winner short-term, it will surely cost them long term, because a loss would side-track any would-be upward momentum.

    In other words, 1 fight against GGG might hypothetically earn them more money than any other opponent not named Floyd or Pac. However, what happens the next 2 fights after that?

    I see the winner of Cotto-Canelo having immense leverage, and I'd be shocked if they were to simply hand that over in what would almost be certain loss against Golovkin.

    I also believe that Cotto and Canelo can "carry" a PPV against almost anyone under the circumstances that come with that leverage. Does that mean they can fight anyone and sell a million PPVs? I don't think so. But I still maintain the winner can face any opponent and make more than anyone not named Floyd or Pac against a no-hoper.

    Bottom line for me, think of it as a 3 fight proposition minimum, and with Canelo's youth, you can arguably look beyond that. So while a fight against Golovkin might make someone like Canelo (should he win) more money than any other opponent not named Pac, Floyd, or Cotto - he'd probably stand to make more over the course of 3 or more fights should he avoid Golovkin, and instead gun for more competitive propositions.

    After GBP just sacrificed Lemieux to Golovkin, I'd be extremely surprised if they just offer up Canelo the same way in the foreseeable future.

    But maybe that's just me.

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  9. Cafe

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    That's the thing, catchweights are already an unpopular thing even for fighters meeting up from two different weight classes, I don't like them even for that, however when you have in-division catchweights especially from the main champion... It's simply totally unacceptable. This goes even beyond GGG or any single fighter, boxing as a whole takes a hit if things such as this are permitted. Sanctioning bodies need to do something about it.
     
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  10. wylan911

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    Only thing I can see is them rematching each other. If this fight is close at all, a rematch would sell big, especially around Cinco De Mayo. You are right though. He shouldn't have to except a catchweight for the MW crown. The WBC's fight or vacate should hoepefully do away with that though.
     
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  11. BlizzyBlizz

    BlizzyBlizz Loyal Member Full Member

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    Leave it to Rums to give us the business side lol. Dlh knew that Lemieux is still young and that if he doesn't take a beating he can still use Lemieux up in Canada. He knows Canelo is long term win or lose also and will convince GG to take a catchweight fight if the WBC puts pressure on Canelo. Now if Canelo wins, he can milk the title up until the WBC says fight GG and he might vacate.

    Cotto imo is the guy that has everything to lose. Now assuming that either win, they might be able to carry a ppv, but against who? I mean if their fight is close enough to do a rematch ok, but after that who? I see no one on the horizon.
     
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  12. Farmboxer

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    Golovkin was Cotto's mandatory, but Cotto refused to fight his mandatory because he knew he would get knocked out................so Cotto will pay Golovkin step aside money so he can fight Alvarrez, the Golovkin is the mandatory for the winner of Cotto/Alvarez, but neither Cotto nor Alvarez will fight Golovkin, They will give up their titles. The 160 lb. champion is supposed to fight at 160.................of give up the title............................
     
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  13. BlizzyBlizz

    BlizzyBlizz Loyal Member Full Member

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    Nobody cares what you think mofo.
     
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  14. kriszhao

    kriszhao Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :good
     
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  15. BlizzyBlizz

    BlizzyBlizz Loyal Member Full Member

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    If anything have the weigh in the day of the fight.
     
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