I dont care what anyone says.....James Toney is better and would beat .......

I don't think so. Calzaghe's style is hell on wheels for James Toney. James Toney loves those guys that comes in on him, leans on him, and falls into his defensive games. JC would be swinging punches like crazy, hitting Toney everywhere... and would never just lay on him, waiting to be countered. I see JC taking a clear decision prime vs prime at 168.

 

Saw many of JT's fights when he was at lower weights - they were on regular/cable tv. Toney nuthuggers act like he was invincible and rolled over everybody. Calzaghe-Toney would be a very competitive fight. It wouldn't surprise me if Joe scored a UD. :yep

 

I've seen some people say Toney schools Marvin Hagler and beats him 9 times out of 10.

 

He shells up, but he doesn't stop throwing. Jirov was pressuring him for their entire fight, yet Toney was still actively throwing many shots. Granted Calzaghe is probably harder to connect on than Jirov, but still.. you're simplifying Toney's style just a tad.

 

Toney should be the favourite over Hagler in my opinion, not 9 times out of 10 and not a schooling, but the favourite.

 

Really? Toney was so inconsistant at 160. He had troubles with Mike McCallum and Dave Tiberi. I wouldn't pick anybody over a prime Hagler at 160. He was one of the most complete fighters ever. He could get the better of Toney on the inside, outwork him, outmuscle him, and use his jab from long range. Hagler was also a great counter puncher in his prime. Overall, just a better fighter than Toney. Hagler was so determined and so mentally strong. I don't envision Toney winning the championship rounds against Marvin Hagler.

I see this as a 116-112 type decision

 

toney definately the better fighter, but at alone who knows joe has not proved enough yet. He has a big test ahead of him so lets wait and see. On the other note if toney could have only stayed in shape, and I'm taliking just not gained over 10 or 20 pounds at most in between fights I don't know if I could have ever bet against him. Just imagine if he had stayed in shape after the holyfield fight, he could have ruled for several years at heavyweight. The man is the greatest natural born fighter I have ever seen.

 

You are Bigtime9!

 

How? Or WHO is this fast puncher w/ high work rate you are basing this on?

 

Primed jt would have an advantage.

 

Well i agree with you. And in shape Toney at 168 can beat anyone. The guy was a master.

 

Toney would definitely beat Joe in a do-nut eating competition.

Seriously though, while it would be a very competitive fight and NOT a foregone conclusion, Joe would have to be the favourite prime-for-prime at 168.

( I believe Joe would beat him presently at any weight either man chose to fight)

 

You really know how to insult a guy !