I dont favor Usyk but I'd like to see it

You know, I could see Usyk winning the way you describe, but I also see him wearing AJ out by making him work every minute of every round and then finishing him in the second half of the fight. Fatboy could do it but Usyk can't? Makes no sense to me.

But maybe it's more likely Usyk gets caught with something big in the first half of the fight and either doesn't get up or goes into survival mode a la Callum Smith and loses a lopsided decision.

I'm interested to see the fight if they make it.

 

Do you think A.J is so permanent here? He is just top boxer, replaceable kid just casual champ. Nothing more there.

He most likely does know that he was too slow to remain at CW and therefore had moved up.
HW boxers are slower, usually.

Ohh, yeah, Joyce is so good boxer for you. Sure.
I wish to see him vs Chisora for example.

 

You'd think AJ would know better than to tank up maximum mass going into Usyk in the way he was for Ruiz I... Then again, it looks like he's pretty bulky at the moment ahead of supposedly fighting Fury, which seems equally unwise.

It's not impossible that it plays out as you say, but somehow I don't really see it?

Definitely, just disappointed that it's at the expense of AJ-Fury which I think would've been a more intriguing contest.

 

The hype and PPV numbers are ready built... And Usyk ain't a spring chicken.

AJ isn't an ATG and he'll be quickly forgotten once retired, but he's by far the biggest payday available to Usyk fullstop.

Perhaps... It's possible.

Then again, knowing he'd get quickly thrown to Joshua as a mandatory, there's a financial incentive available there way beyond what he'd get at CW and without any threat to his CW legacy.

Maybe I'm too cynical?

Joyce would just be wrong for Usyk IMHO - certainly too risky to be worth the paycheck.

Usyk is 5x the technical boxer that Joyce is, but that doesn't mean he wins automatically.
Joyce is by no means a great boxer, but he's a real potential bananaskin.

Let's face it, he asked for a huge cut from that potential fight - either he knew this was coming and that was just a stall to avoid looking unwilling (likely) or he wasn't prepared to risk him for less.

 

Doesn't means but Usyk he will not win via jabbing face and Usyk still is more agile and fast than DD.
Therefore in order to beat Usyk he should use not only jabs.
More clinch, hooks etc, maul Usyk etc.

I think Usyk is not poor and might already had retired and to earn with money he already does have. Ofc not damn rich but he does have money and even is boxing promoter in ukrainian promotion.

Ohh, even this Witherspoon fight I think had been pretty well paid if compare with effort to beat him.

 

Perfectly reasonable... It's all a question of probabilities though - the cost/benefit probably ain't there with JJ.

Sure... But to go from not poor to damn rich in one fight?
I think he'd be interested in that even if he didn't expect to win.

Witherspoon was always going to be a warm-up at HW for him - he was never likely to be threatened there IMHO.

 

He had scheduled another guy, this pulled out due to some problems. They quickly replaced him vs Witherspoon because fight event had been announced and Usyk needed to fight someone.

 

He wouldn't have agreed to fight Witherspoon if he was going to be a genuine threat - he was always going to ease himself in.

 

Well, historically he is quite opposite type of guy.
For example when he get WBO World Cruiser title after fight vs Glowacki in Poland, he didn't stuff like a lot of boxers had did : to sit on one belt and fight in hometown country long years in row.
He traveled and had fought on foreign soil to get more belts at CW division and this Ali Trophy and The Ring belt.
Before pro career he had competed WBS series semi pro: fought everyone they gave him to fight with. He might had picked another road: sell some tickets and beat bums in row in some local promotion to rack maybe 6 1 st round KOs in row.

WBSS 1 pro too was with tournament format.

Of course most likely when he moved to HW this was damn pragmatic.
Being slower he might be more competitive vs some from slow HW boxers than even these today's old Briedis or more fresh Makabu, Dorticos. Dudes like Lerena, Okolie and like this.

A.J for sure isn't unbeatable and this already had been proven.
Usyk too isn't unbeatable, he wasn't such in amateur ranks, he doesn't claim to have undefeated amateur record.

 

Sure... But AJ is a natural heavyweight, and he's well proven and seasoned carrying that size.

Usyk less so - he's proven to hell and back at Cruiser, but he's bulked up a lot at heavy and as yet we don't really know how much pace he's given up or how that will affect his chances in a massive step up from Witherspoon and Delboy.... He's never eaten the kind of punches AJ is capable of throwing his way.

We'll see, it's definitely an intriguing bout, but I'm doubtful that Usyk can pull it off.

 

The moment a person uses the term super heavyweight you know they are either a child or a clueless casual fan repeating stuff they heard on TV.

Anthony Joshua is a 6'5 230 pound guy. I never heard real boxing fans in the 70's 80's 90's or early 2000's refer to a 6'5 230 pound heavyweight as a super heavyweight. Second I never heard anybody say back then that being 6'5 and 230 made you unbeatable.

Evander Holyfield was smaller than Usyk and moved up to heavyweight (on steroids) and fought the 6'4 1/2 230 to 240 Lennox Lewis. Nobody cared. Holyfield fought the 6'4 230 Riddick Bowe. Nobody cared. Evander even faced that 6'11 310 pound Nikolai Valuev when Holyfield was almost 50 and nobody cared.

Now any time a taller guy or bulkier guy gets in the ring the casuals act like this is some type of new thing.

Anyway Usyk has yet to prove anything at heavyweight. But even if he has a little bit of skill he should be favored to beat hype job Anthony Joshua.

 

AJ should win comfortably with some difficulty. Just don't see Usyk providing much of a threat to AJ tbh.

 

Joyce improved, sure and gaining weight would help too but i don't think it would be enough to win against Usyk. IMHO, he would still be outboxed and outclassed by Usyk.

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He's not too far out of his prime, should still be a good scrap.