I don't get it, why is Donaire P4P #3 ???

hes well rounded, a complete fighter. hes got speed, power, skills, reach, defense, everything you want in a fighter.

To put it another way, who would you put ahead of him besides Pac, Martinez, Floyd?

Wlad is the only other guy as skilled but the competition up there isnt as stiff as donaire has. But anyone else, I dont see it. People still put Cotto pretty high or berto, bradly, khan ect but donaire is more skilled than all of them, by far in my opinion

 

I like Nonitos dominance over elite opponents and better opposition.. More so than the Klitschkos recent run versus mediocre or decent opposition at best. Wlad barely makes my top 10 and vitlai is knocking on the door... When i see certain poster ranking them in the top 5 or t0p 3 thats just ridiculous.atsch

 

you deserve a painful death

 

No dude, you are the one that doesnt understand.. I have never heard of a fighter getting high pound for pound ranking based on what they did in the amatuers.. THats a new one THere have been Gold Medal winners that have gone to the pro ranks and fell very short of what was expected.. THese guys are never referred to as top fighters... For instance Mark Breland is considered one of the greatest amatuers ever but was a mediocre titlist and didnt hold the title long,he is not or will never be looked at as one of the Great or even good ww champions, according to your criteris he should probably be in the HOF one day huh? Another guy was Howard Davis awesome olympian considered better than Leonard,Spinks bros, etc etc coming out.. Michael and Ray went on to be all time greats.. Howard Davis wiill be remembered as top contender and somewhat of an underachiever and nothing more... Paul Gonzlez too was a great Amatuer won val barker over his outstanding 84 teamates, ended up being a contender briefly then gatekeeper ,top 20 guy.. Duan Bobick man i could keep goin on and on with examples.

Nothing wrong with losing to a 2-1 guy, how do you know he wasnt an elite novice?... Wilfredo Gomez had a draw in his first fiight then had 30 something straight wins all by ko.. He must have been a bum in his first fight huh? Hopkins lost his pro debut.. Henry Armstrong go kod in his.

Back to that 2-1 guy.. He might have been talented, for example Johnny Tapia had a draw in his pro debut to a good friend of mine Efren Chavez,.. No a fan who is just guessing might assume Chavez probably wasnt a oood fighter since they never heard of him after... Wrong!! One of his losses after ruled a tko because of a cut(which was a but) Was on a roll and becoming a prospect, but waa rushed into a fight with soon future champ Benichou. Chavez only had 7 fights but still held his own.. That was his last fight he was in a bad car accident and was advised for his own safety not to box again, he was a big talent and an amatuer star. He was every bit as good as Tapia(he deserved a win) even better at the time, but you wouldnt know it by looking at boxing records... Ive been watching boxing long enough to know, that a million things can change for fighters after turning pro, an early loss is sometimes meanigless, and usually has no bearing on how he good or bad he will be if they fighter stays hungry.

And it doesnt matter if Gamboa fought better opponents early on what matters is what hes done in the last few years agains elite fighters or top contenders. .. Your rationale is off the hook:nut Ive never heard anyone come up with some twisted **** like you.

 

^^^good point

Juan Manuel Marquez and Bernard Hopkins lost early in their career also but look at how they turn out. One of the best ever. Donaire is already a 3 division champion and still has a long way to go. He could be one of the best by the time he is done.

 

Shyeah, but if you go by first eight fights, I feel Rigo should be above Gambo on the p4p list. And if you go by their one-fight resume, you really have to have Rafa over both. :blurp

 

I think it's ridiculous to have him above JMM or B-Hop but he def is above Gamboa at this point. One thing is for sure though at the stage Gamboa's at right now he has fought far better oppositon than Donaire and in a few years his resume will probably be much better than Donaire's. Gamboa's fought nothing but winning resumes since he became pro and was thrown against tough opposition and opponents with impressive records after his first couple of fights whereas Donaire was fighting bums and guys with losing records until Darchinyan....even the figth before Vic was against a bum.

 

Yey and Saesnek Muasungarim or however you spell his nam.. Won a world title in his 3rd fight.. So he must be one of the greatest fighters of all time.

 

Well it obviously worked for him or helped prepare him, as hes been beatin good opposition since... Some fighters (especially amatuer stars) can come right out and face tough opposition, some guys take a little longer to mature.. It really doesnt matter as long as they eventually become top fighters... Coming out the amatuers im sure Gamboa was a level above Nonito, but obvioulsy him and his team were doing something right, as he has passed Gamboa up.. Why will Gamboas resume be better in a few years? Theres really no elite guys for him to fight right know unless he skips Jl and goes up to Lw. Either that or wait for Nonito,Rigo or Mikey Garcia who is a pretty good fighter but im not sure hes the finished product yet.

 

I think a lot of people are confusing ATG with p4p. These lists are subjective but the RING magazine uses a "CURRENT" moment approach to their rankings which is why martinez and donaire are higher than jmm and bernard hopkins. This is also why Ward is on the list as well. They have done more in the past few years than what marquez and bhop have done. Wlad has been fighting chumps lately but unfortunately that is no fault of his own. DONAIRE destroys p4p ranked fighters in early rounds that is why he is ranked so high. In fact he is so damn good, he plays around with the southpaw stance with Hernan Marquez for 6 rounds, when he gets enough experience he switches back to orthodox and blows him out of the water. If you look at his last 10 fights only 1 has been a decision, the rest were all KOs and against solid opposition. If we use the RINGS method of choosing p4p then we have to rank Donaire high. IMO him and martinez are interchangeable at this point but I believe(although I am biased) Donaire has a slight edge. Pavlik and Williams were great wins but only Williams was ranked p4p. Its just sad that nonito hasn't gotten the fights he deserved. I wonder if its a case of some fighters not ranking him high because he's a bantamweight.
Gamboa is good no doubt but he just hasn't faced great opposition yet, if Gamboa moved up to lightweight could you see him lasting against Rios, Soto, Guerrero, maybe.
All this hype with nonito fighting gamboa I don't know if it will ever happen, they are 2 weight classes apart and nonito is already 27, he might be able to go up to 130 but I would be surprised if it went more than that.

 

Looks like Gamboaexpress has a lot of responsez which will keep him on his toes and busy when he logs back in.

I think clearly Gamboa is a very special boxer. I just can't see Donaire being that dominant at featherweight. Gamboa is just too much for anybody and is getting better. SLOW your roll. Donaire is number 5 or 6 on the pnd for pnd list like it should be.

PAcquiao
Floyd
Martinez
Marquez
Donaire

and others.

IMO

 

Get beyond the record and look at the fighter. You can alter your opinion of him fight to fight. So if it turns out this was a bad judgment call then we can always remove him.

In other words it is just a list.

 

Is Oscar de la Hoya a Filipino?

 

People were saying the same **** about Pac when he was a featherweight/jr. lightweight. Who knew he would be blowing up the Welterweight ranks. With proper conditioning and weight gain, he can carry his power with him. Especially with the way this kid punches and how he torques his body when he throws a punch.

 

I know he will be more ferocious and vicious as he goes up. But Gamboa is just something special. Really, really amazing boxer.:good a great boxer will always beat a really good boxer.Gamboa has the edge in speed and power IMO. I don't think Donaire will cope.