I don't get why people think a 70's Foreman beats a prime Tyson

Didn´t he also wrestle down a pack of bulls with his free hand?

I´ve heard he once punched a mulish horse on the chin. After that, they called her "Giraffa"....

 

So then, I'm guessing you think Holyfield was stronger than Foreman?

 

Nope.

I don't know who's stronger.

 

The cow foreman lifted was 500-700 lbs bare minimum. Theres no "maybe" theres nothing vague about lifting 700 lbs, either holyfield could lift that much or he couldnt.

Holyfield never made a guy stumble across the ring with a jab. He didnt effortlesly out wrestle 220+ pound heavyweights and manipulate or push them around like bowling pins. If you can provide footage of holyfield doing something remotely similar, go for it. Otherwise this is an incredibly stupid conversation.

Tyson LOST by stoppage to a past his prime holyfield and was beaten to a pulp and beaten in the clinches and inside. A flabby 40 year old foreman was pushing and shoving a shredded prime holyfield, going toe to toe and bullying him in spots. Do the math.

 

LOL - What was there to refute? Wild speculation and negative opinions of both Lyle and Foreman?
Nothing worthwhile to see, there...

 

From what I understand, Foreman didn't lift the cow--he held it on his shoulders after some guys had lowered it there for purposes of the shot. Impressive, but far, far less so than if he'd actually lifted it.

PS - How do you know how much the cow weighs?

 

Can holyfield support 500 lbs on his shoulders, yes or no?

Karl malone was one of the strongest nba players ever. If someone shows a photo of him lifting x amount of weight, and someone asks if lebron can do the same, its a black and white, yes or no, plain and simple answer. It doesnt matter if lebron is a "large, naturally strong athlete who lifts weights", either he can do it or not theres nothing abstract or vague about it at all.

I know it weighs that much becaus i watch and read national geographic and look at photos and size comparisons. That thing is bigger than some motorcycles and those weigh 400 lbs on average. Cpws have very robust, thick bones and are densely muscled and fat.

 

Then, yes, I would assume that Holyfield was strong enough to support 400-500lbs on his shoulders long enough to take a picture.

 

Holyfield himself said that a 42 year old Foreman was one of the strongest fighters ever. Are you guys going to tell me someone that is 42 is stronger than when they were in their prime years in their 20s?

Why couldn't this happen to Walcott who was younger at 38 years old?

 

Foremans strength wont matter if tyson uses his feet. Strength is one factor. So is speed, reflexes and defense

 

Holyfield pushed back 230lb dokes, 220lb Tyson, 240lb Bowe(Bowe went backward in the clinches) 245+ Lennox Lewis and others.

Wrestling doesnt win a boxing match however.

Punches do, food for thought, Foreman stronger than tyson? Yeah ok, but strong enough to get away with being outlanded atleast 2 and probably more like 3 to 1 in punches because of tysons speed, combinations and defense? Foreman would also see fewer of tysons punches coming as he did not have respect for his opponents punches at all his defense was basically just pawing and pushing, while tyson would certainly try to be elusive. Peak Tyson also had better stamina than foreman.


If 96 Tyson trades bomb for bomb with foreman, yeah he gets knocked out in a wild slugfest.

But 88 Tyson outlands him 3 to 1 until george catches a punch that he doesnt see because of his terrible defense and disdain for his opponents punches, or simply gasses out and gets stopped. Foreman took much less punishment from ali than tyson did from douglas, who was bigger and hit visibly harder. So either tysons chin is atleast as good as george's or his stamina is so bad that tyson still wins because he just has to stay elusive for the first half of the fight.


George will struggle to hit tyson, tyson will have a much easier time landing on foreman than most of his opponents. FACT

70s George will either tire before prime tyson does, or has a lesser chin. FACT.

70s George had no respect for his opponents punches and had no real defense, prime tyson tried to be elusive even with opponents who couldnt punch. FACT.

Sorry George's edge in strength and weight behind his shots is just not enough to overcome tysons vast advantage in several other categories. The style advantage is also only there if tyson mindlessly brawls like he only did when he became 1 dimensional AFTER his peak.

 

Because as ive explained to you a dozen times now, walcott was on the verge of retiring and essentially shot when he faced marciano but gave it his one last hurrah. It was no different from alis revenge against spinx, lewis and vitali, or wladmir vs joshua.

Foreman was still an active, healthy threat in his comeback fights and other than holyfield and stewart, he didnt go through tons of gruelling wars and managed to stop most opponents early or use good defense and reach to avoid damage. Walcott had what, 14 losses by the time he fought rocky? Lost 2/6 of his few fights? Had been through many gruelling ring wars with louis, charles, etc? No comparison.

What is your proof clown? Im tired of repeatin myself. Do you have knowledge of the reps holyfield did for his shoulders and the amount of weight?

 

George was too strong for Tyson.