I don't have a huge issue with anyone who calls Floyd Mayweather Jr. the GOAT..

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  1. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    I don't necessarily rank him that high. But I can see an argument. Mayweather started beating ranked opponents and world champions with only umpteen professional fights in 1998, and continued on that path to his retirement in 2015. Let's face it.. Regardless of what one "thinks" of his opposition, there is very little padding on that record. And needless to say, not a single defeat. Sure there were men 50, 60, 70 years ago who had an excess of 200 fights or more.. But a lot of those records contained plenty of filler. And many of them accumulated loss columns in the double digits. While I also agree that there is an absurd number of titles these days, making it possible for even you and I to capture a belt, you had plenty of men who are billed as "greats" from earlier periods who barely held a single title through two or three defenses... Mayweather does have 24 "lineal" title wins. And yes there are too many divisions that didn't exist decades ago.. But for Floyd to start off at 130 and end up beating guys at 154 is still pretty damn impressive. In the old days, you could be on the larger end of light weight for example beating guys on the smaller end of the division where as today you'd be billed as a jr. welter, so its not always so advantagious having these expansion divisions. And sure we list plenty of greats who have "single" better wins than Mayweater, such as Leonard's wins over Hearns or Duran. But honestly he kills most greats on depth.
     
  2. Unforgiven

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    He's a great fighter. He's impressive in accomplishments and ability.
    But he's not at the level to be considered #1 by anyone who has any real knowledge of boxing history.
    You say you "don't have a huge issue with" anyone who says he's #1, but it's almost hypothetical. No one is saying it, apart from trolls on the general forum, and people who don't know boxing history at all.

    I'm actually one of the more flexible persons on this forum regarding the amount of fighters who can be put into the argument for #1. Some say there are 2, 3, 4 names only up for debate. I'd say at least 7 or 8 and maybe as many as 20, but Mayweather would not feature.
    On the other hand, I'm less impressed with Mayweather than some have professed to be in the last year (inlcuding yourself).
     
  3. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    I don't claim to be a boxing expert or historian. I've followed the sport for about 27 or 28 years and am reasonably knowledgeable in "certain" areas of the game.. But there are plenty of people around here who's knowledge exceeds mine by far, especially on more specific topics of boxing. I'd also like to think that I'm not a troll. I have a feeling that Mayweather is one of these fighters who's resume may gain more appreciation through the passage of time.
     
  4. Unforgiven

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    I know you are knowledgeable on boxing history.

    I also think that you wouldn't rate Mayweather as #1, and have not seriously considered doing so, in light of everything else you know about boxing history.

    That's the point.

    You're not a troll.
    I think you're just using the idea (of Mayweather as #1 being acceptable) as a rhetorical-hypothetical device to get across the points you're actually making eg. "Mayweather is one of these fighters who's resume may gain more appreciation through the passage of time." etc.
     
  5. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Yeah that's pretty much it.
     
  6. KuRuPT

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    You should have a problem with it. All those things above are well and dandy, but the fact remains he's not the GOAT, and frankly, not even top 10 GOAT.
     
  7. mr. magoo

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    And that opinion is fine.
     
  8. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :thumbsup You're a good guy Magoo
     
  9. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Thanks and likewise my friend. ;)
     
  10. PowerPuncher

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    They are though mate, Floyd isn't nearly as big and imposing at 147 as he comparatively is at 130 much like Leonard, Hearns and Robinson aren't as big/imposing at 160 as they are at 147.

    To a degree it's like matching up Floyd at 130 to Barrera at 130. Or Leonard against RJJ at 160.

    In terms of size Mayweather, Duran, Whitaker, Chavez, Ross, Benny Leonard are in the same bracket and comparable H2H on a P4P basis. Armstrong being smaller than the lot.
     
  11. Unforgiven

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    Pacquiao was small like Armstrong.
     
  12. lufcrazy

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    I'm not fully sure I agree, although I do see where you're coming from.

    For me Floyd was at his best as a SFW but I wouldn't say he beats MAB because he's too big there, I'd say he beats him because he's better.

    Size becomes a bit arbitrary when dealing with weight classes and if someone is tall that is am asset just like someone being fast imo.

    There is a point when someone wins because they're bigger rather than better like I favour Hagler over Hopkins at MW but Hopkins over Hagler at LHW.

    But basically those I listed at WW I think beat Floyd because they're better than him.