I don't know if you Lewis fans realize it, but LL was KO'd twice by 2nd tier guys

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  1. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    Sorry, I don't see the fights that way.

    First fight was 10-2 or 9-3 if you're generous. (It could also have been 11-1).

    Second fight was 8-4 or 9-3.

    I put Lewis as the best of his era andhead to head, top four alltime.
     
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  2. Slothrop

    Slothrop Boxing Junkie banned

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    This is the only objective way to view the fights.
     
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  3. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    Exactly. :yep :goodThe closeness of these fights, combined with the fact that Holyfield fought Bowe, and fought Tyson when he had something left, AND didn't get starched early by second raters when he was champ, cinches his status as the best of the era. The Lewis fans will NEVER see it that way though, however much it's pointed out to 'em!! :-(
     
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  4. Punisher33

    Punisher33 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I had Lewis winning the first fight 8-4 maybe 7-5, the second fight was real close, and alot of the rounds were hard to score, I had the second fight a draw to be truthful, niether man did enough to win that fight IMO.
     
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  5. djrock247

    djrock247 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Are your 3,476 other posts quite this poignant and articulate? Really, I'd love to hear some more of your insightful and enlightening pugilistic prose. Educate us...
     
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  6. Slothrop

    Slothrop Boxing Junkie banned

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    TWICE, DOODER! TWICE! In this feat, Lewis accomplished something that Marciano, Louis, Dempsey, Ali, Foreman, Tyson, Liston, Tunney, Holmes, and Jerse Joe Walcott never managed! Yet half the people on this board want to rate Lewis above these guys!
     
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  7. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Rational argument that doesn't seem overly biased.

    You are still wrong though.
     
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  8. DamonD

    DamonD Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wha...why the hell didn't someone tell me about this sooner?!?! Two losses, you say?
     
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  9. inchpunch

    inchpunch Active Member Full Member

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    Holyfield better than Lewis? Give me a break. Holy fought five opponents multiple times and only has a positive record against one of them, Tyson. He clearly lost 2 out of 3 against Bowe, should have lost both times against Lewis and is 1 - 1 with Moorer, losing when Moorer was in shape, and 1 -1 -1 with Ruiz. Plus Lewis dominated many fights against quality opponents, Holy had to dig deep against every quality opponent who came in shape.
     
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  10. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    He's also the ONLY guy since Rocky to beat every man he's ever faced.

    And those of us who do NOT place him in the lowest possible slot are only saying that he has more great wins than Hollyfield and less losses against great fighters by some distance.

    What is your opinion on Burley , Zivic, Armstrong or Archie Moore, who also lost fights, sometimes to weaker opposition? Are they proping up your top 15 in their respective divisions?

    You hold a very extreme position on Lewis, as do the people who have him at 1 or 2. It's very unlikely that either you or they are right.
     
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  11. Bodysnatcher

    Bodysnatcher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  12. Relentless

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    what about the 11th time?
     
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  13. 196osh

    196osh Mendes Bros. Full Member

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    Dun dun dun. I could never have guessed.
     
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  14. audio101

    audio101 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Did you just start following boxing a few days ago or something?:nut
     
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  15. Feiti

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    Ali almost got KOed by Henry Cooper in the early rounds and was pretty much saved by the bell. Remember too that Ali got more time to recover than he sould have, because of a glove issue. Ali also got a few questionable decisions in fights against Norton and Jimmy Young.

    George Foreman got beaten and floored by Jimmy Young and he got floored and nearly KOed by Ron Lyle.

    Mike Tyson got beaten silly by Buster Douglas.

    A lot of the greats got beaten by lesser fighters at one point or another.
     
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