I dont need fight film to confim Grebs great abilities

How many of those were prime? Patterson certainly wasn't, Moore certainly wasn't and was an ATG at 175, same with Foster, Frazier wasn't when he beat him in either of the last 2 fights and neither was Liston. The only one who was prime from that list is Foreman.

Pathetic. So you are penalizing him for fighting in an era with pre-arranged draws in the event of no-knockout? They are just as official as some judges decisions.

Loughran is a border-line ATG? You are putting him on the same level as Norton? You forgot to mention all the others aswell.
hmmm... doesn't seem like that constitutes to greatest p4p fighter of all time, especially when we have no way of seeing his in-the-ring abilities.

 

Also, anybody who attempts to take the **** by using that footage of evidence of his punching form is an idiot. He clearly didn't punch like that. Nobody who punched like that would beat Tunney & Loughran from what we've seen of them on film, and nobody from his era punched like that.

 

D.T. is a funny guy. Very skilled troll.

 

What about the people using that footage as evidence to confirm his great abilities?

 

So there is no film of the No. 1 greatest p4p fighter ever?

What ****ing idiots you all are.


FACT is, NWS decisions are not official. Whether you like it or not that is fact.

Greb if 6 on my all-time list. High enough for a fighter I've never seen ****ing fight.

 

So who won the fights that were by law unable to render a decision? Did they never happen? Did the newspapers print inaccurate descriptions? I hate to burst your bubble, but a fight is a fight. In most cases someone wins, someone loses. This happens regardless if a decision can be rendered or not. So please, don't act as if these fights never happened or these men weren't getting paid to beat the other silly. Don't act as if they had no bearing on their future opponents and how they got paid.

 

All I'm saying is that NWS decisions aren't OFFICIAL. That doesn't mean that the fight didn't happen, or it didn't affect their futures.

However, it does mean that the win wasn't decided by proper officials (judges). Many of Greb's NWS decisions were debated and received mixed reactions from people at the time.

You mean to tell me that he had no controversial NWS decisions? For instance one of his NWS decisions against Flowers was debatable. Various newspapers had the fight for Flowers, but in the end Greb got it.

 

Jab, so true,your post. For some posters who write repeatedly,that they can't RATE Harry Greb accurately, is to somehow deny the overwhelming
amount of great fighters, great writers,historians and fight fans, who saw
this wonder lick everyone in a 300 bout career,and put him at No.1 P4P.
They claim that "after all,I never saw film of him fighting",so how can I
concur with such strong testaments of observers of Greb ?
Well,I and all historians never saw or heard Abraham Lincoln speak or on film,yet we rate him as our greatest President, because of his body of work
preserving the Union,and the Emancipation Proclamation.
I have more faith in witnesses who saw Harry Greb,accumulate his
astounding record than,these indiviuduals who somehow 90 years later could judge Harry Greb, on the basis of a film or two...Like judging
Ray robinson,with Tiger Jones or Turpin in London, or Louis with Charles or
Marciano,or Ali with Norton[3],Doug Jones, Larry Holmes etc....Doesn't
make sense ! The P4P title should be for the fighter ,who more than any
other fighters tackles more larger HOFamers than anyone else,and WINS...
I believe Greb meets that criteria better than any one else overall....

 

burt... unfortunately you are incorrect...

 

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Theres no film of the civil war do you dispute that the north beat the south?

 

Saying that Loughran is a borderline atg is insane

 

man u must be joking he looks like a sloth in that video

 

Firstly, you could find another fiven names on Grebs recod as good as the five you have listed.

Calling Loughran a borderline ATG is absurd. He is top 10 for his weight class prety unambiguously and arguably top 5.

I would also take issue with you calling the Gibbons brothers borderline as well. Mike Gibbons was one of the best fighters of his weight in any era.

Slattery nothing special?

He was an underachiever but he was a tremendous talent and a top flight name. On virtualy any other fighters resume he would be one of the top scalps.