I don't see how Groves can win

We all know Froch has a granite chin so I think Groves should target the body in the same kindof way Mosley did with Margarito. Groves is heavy handed and body work is pretty good.....Anderson would agree

 

Compared to Froch, Anderson has a glass body and chin. Its not wise to compare Anderson who is barely at British level to a Legit World Level WARRIOR like the Cobra.

 

This is boxing anything can happen, my comment was just that he's not this devastating monster puncher people are alluding to. Sure he is heavy handed but he has technical deficiencies in his punching. Precisely because Groves won't be standing in front of him his punches will in all likelihood be too slow, wide and telegraphed to catch Groves enough times to stop him.

 

One problem even if you were right about Froch's punching (you are wrong though, you are underrating Froch big time) is that Groves isn't a defensive marvel and Froch will land punches, and as soon as he hurts Groves (and he will) its probably all over.

I will agree that yes anything can happen in Boxing but i would be stunned, absolutely stunned if Froch loses to Groves.

 

Suppose we'll just have to wait and see.
I'm just saying what I saw in Kessler II though.

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2013/05/froch-threw-1034-punches-against-kessler-landing-only-25/

 

Kessler is in a different league compared to Groves, even a faded Kessler. Some of those shots he landed on Kessler would have stopped Groves. Kessler is tougher than Groves, can take a much better shot.

 

There is a blue print. Look at the Ward fight, look at the Dirrell fight. I thought Dirrell would have won if he'd been just a little more aggressive, being away from home and all that.

Groves will not be going into a slugfest with Froch, just don't see that happening unless he gets tagged and forced to stand and fight. He will use movement and speed to frustrate Froch. He will stay out of range, it will be DeGale II.

 

I hope to God froch smashes him up :amen

 

Where the **** has Laz gone? And that guy who hates well dressed black men ....... Pathetic Leader? And USA Rob? Jeez Hello?? Anyone here? Are they stuck in The Lounge? Maybe when the mods closed it down they were in there?

**** it who cares...

 

That's not really what I was contending at all.
I was merely pointing out the punch stats in Kessler II as an indicator of the deficiencies in his punching technique. It shows he is definitely lacking in some areas there...

 

No I dont - is the short answer to that.

The press conference and weigh in will be factors in my view. Froch will want to wind up Groves, and if he does he will want Groves to come out swinging from the first bell.

If Groves remains calm and nerves do not get the better of him and he fights long, then it could get interesting.

 

did i just see you quote a article by the biggest troll known to mankind to prove a point? And roughly by those stats your saying he missed 700 + punches?

 

Don't give a flying who wrote the article. I was just interested in the numbers.

Here they are, and yeah they say he missed with close to 800 punches
http://compuboxonline.com/compubox-stats-froch-w-12-kessler/
I'll admit that the stats are a bit skewed because he threw so many 'pawing' jabs though, his power punch connect rate was alot higher at 37%.

If I remember that fight correctly Kessler wasn't even moving around that much. Still pretty appalling accuracy...

 

i really dont know who i want to win this fight.................i just hope its competitive

 

This is getting silly now...the hate for Froch is unbelievable...

People are talking like Froch isn't going to even be in the ring. All this 'Groves keeps it long and jabs and he'll win' is all nonsense. Does Froch not have a longer reach? Did he not out-jab and control Bute, Mack and Kessler in has last 3 fights? Not only that, he actually DOMINATED the early rounds in these fights, so people saying Groves is going to win the first few rounds are wide of the mark too. Froch hasn't started poorly since the Ward fight - a loss from which he appears to have learnt a great deal.

People who think Froch can't fight or bang off the back foot are having a laugh as well. As much as people think of his hard man 'cave man' image, he is actually a natural counter puncher and usually waits for someone to throw before he throws back UNLESS an opportunity presents itself. It's a common misconception - probably due to the Dirrell fight - that he's a come-forward slugger. He had to be in that fight in order to engage Dirrell in anything at all.

One other thing that you have all seen in recent fights, is that Froch will have the last word on any exchange - if someone hits him 4 times, he'll hit them with 5 shots back, and this is why some people had the Kessler fight so wide (the American judge and also Lederman). If he feels someone is about to start establishing themselves, he will just throw caution to the wind and walk in throwing bombs (Bute, Mack, Kessler). If he stings someone he does the same thing.

Talk all you like about punchstats in the Kessler II fights, but 700 punches missed or not, there's a reason Kessler threw close to only 1/3 of the punches Froch threw...when a man stands in front of you, capable of throwing over 1000 punches in a fight...you're gonna be very wary of throwing back.

It comes down to whether Groves can take Froch constantly having the last word, walking through whatever shots are thrown at him and pushing Groves to the ropes and unloading, establishing a dominant jab that it's incredibly hard to get around, and IF he has enough power to make a dent.

On the balance of previous fights and probability, Groves is really REALLY up against it here. I'm not convinced he can establish a jab and outbox a Froch who has learnt a lot of hard lessons over the years, and is not fast or elusive enough to stay on the back foot for 12 rounds. I also don't believe he will KO Froch, although he hits hard enough to IF he lands a perfect shot. I just don't see it.

Maybe this is Groves's time to learn the first of his harsh lessons that will help him out in future fights. I like him as a fighter, and there's no shame if he loses to Froch - too much emphasis is placed on the '0' anyway - but it's not quite his time yet!