I don't see what was so special about Mayweather vs Gatti?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Raskolnikov, Jan 4, 2011.


  1. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Exactly and there were many people on ESB and writers who thought Gatti was too much for PBF and would beat him up. But people here think that guys like us forget what was actually going on around here back then.
     
  2. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Quit hating chav. And what do you know? You weren't even watching boxing back then.:lol::rofl
     
  3. horst

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    :yikes You mean THE Terron Milett???!

    :D

    Come on man, no-one with a brain believed Gatti had a realistic chance. Oscar had already beaten the living **** out of him and proven he wasn't a match for serious top level fighters like ODLH and Floyd.

    The TS isn't saying Mayweather didn't dominate and destroy Gatti, he's saying it wasn't anything special or ground-breaking, and he's right.

    How was a guy who had to go to war to get past Micky Ward (losing 1 of 3 fights) going to be competitive with someone of Mayweather's skill level?

    This was always going to be target practice, this was just another fight like Roy Jones vs Clinton Woods or Julio Cesar Chavez vs Greg Haugen, a routine beatdown.
     
  4. Swarmer

    Swarmer Patrick Full Member

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    It was obvious what was gonna happen. There were some doubts and Gatti had the obvious edge of being able to end a fight through landing the right punches by chance, but I saw Mayweather as too durable and focused to ever let that happen. HUGE edge in speed, skill. I also never buy the "reinvented" fighter schtick. Changing trainers and abruptly revamping your style never creates a brand new fighter, especially not that late. It worked with guys like Pac and Khan with Roach because they were still young and relatively inexperienced.... But more often than not you'll just see fighters fall back on old habits after a couple rounds and hard punches.
     
  5. Relentless

    Relentless VIP Member banned

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    have you forgotten i used to own your ass back in those days.
     
  6. Raskolnikov

    Raskolnikov Guest

    It depends on how much importance you place on size whether you rate Pac-Margarito as a much better win than Mayweather-Gatti.

    Gatti may have been as good as Margarito in terms of ability (although I'd take Margo's best performances over Gatti's), but a 148lbs fighting a 165lbs Margarito always beats Floyd dismantling a guy either the same size as him or smaller such as Gatti (I think Gatti is smaller, but can't be ****ed arguing over it).

    It was apparent in Pac-Margarito that Margo (unlike Clottey) knew how to utilize his height, reach, weight and strength advantages, and that level of pressure, aggression and output would make it difficult for ANY smaller man. That's what made Pac's domination so impressive and therefore what makes it such a good win.

    Gatti had no such advantages in the Mayweather fight. None.
     
  7. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    I used to own your ass back then you and beware..child please.:lol::rofl:lol: I have more boxing knowledge in my pinky than you and your gay father combined.:deal
     
  8. J Griz 757

    J Griz 757 Arturo "Thunder" Gatti Full Member

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    Ok gotcha. :smoke

    That's a much more fair statement.
     
  9. Slacker

    Slacker Big & Slow Full Member

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    I agree, it was a mismatch, but I think people expected it to be closer.

    Probably the reasons its often pointed out is because:

    1. It was Mayweathers first PPV fight.

    2. After ODLH loss, Gatti came back like a lion. TKO in the fight directly after ODLH, followed by winning Comeback Fighter of the Year 2002, finished his trilogy with Ward in 2003, racked up 3 solid wins (2 by KO, one was a body KO) to win and twice defend the WBC Light WW strap before facing Mayweather.

    3. Like you said, Mayweather was able to showcase tremendous offense against Gatti, who was a balls out warrior, where Floys wasn't.

    Personally, I was a big fan of both at the time, and I was fairly sure Floyd would put on a boxing clinic...but I still wouldn't have been surprised if Gatti walked through those punches and brought the pain.
     
  10. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Here's the difference between DLH-Gatti, and Mayweather-Gatti....

    Gatti was fighting at 147 when he fought DLH, and while never defensively sound, wasn't displaying as many skills as he did once he moved down to 140. Even then he still had more success connecting against Oscar than he did when fighting PBF.

    But people tend to forget that Gatti was on a nice little run once he moved down to 140 (which was a much more comfortable weight class for him to make at the time). He had taken two out of three from Ward (and arguably done enough to defeat him the first time), and had scored impressive victories over the likes of Dorin and Leija going into the fight.

    So, there was a school of thought that Gatti had shown enough improvement since coming to 140lbs that he might find a means to deliver his power (which was much more of a factor at this weight than it ever was at welterweight).

    But it didn't happen..at all. Gatti barely laid a glove on a fighter who wasn't just content to pot-shot, but who stayed in the pocket and was stringing together five and six punch combinations by the time all was said and done.

    So, for all intents and purposes, Mayweather beat a better version of Gatti than night, and looked more impressive doing it. And that's why this remains one of his more impressive performances.
     
  11. jonnytightlips

    jonnytightlips Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Without sounding like a **** but the way he beat the **** outta gatti was great. The way Floyd put combinations together was beautiful.
     
  12. HitBattousai

    HitBattousai Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Floyd's win over Gatti was impressive, but meaningless other than a showcase fight, Gatti was basically a fringe champion level guy at best at 140 and 147. It also helped that Buddy gave Gatti the great gameplan to come in and box with Floyd instead of trying to bomb Floyd out of there. And following that fight, Gatti got ravaged by Baldomir and destroyed by Gomez. However, it was Floyd's biggest name value win in terms of the popularity of the boxer involved, so it was big for his career that he got the impressive win.
     
  13. Slacker

    Slacker Big & Slow Full Member

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    FAIL! :patsch

    His best weight was 130-135. It was when he moved up to 140-147 that he had trouble, because he just wasn't as powerful there.

    Coming into the Mayweather fight Gatti was on a 3 fight winning streak.

    He won by TKO in the fight directly after ODLH, followed by winning Comeback Fighter of the Year 2002, finished his trilogy with Ward in 2003, racked up 3 solid wins (2 by KO, one was a body KO) to win and twice defend the WBC Light WW strap before facing Mayweather.

    Two division world champion: WBC Light Welterweight (2 defenses), IBF Super Featherweight (5 defenses)

    National Champion: USBA Super Featherweight (2 defenses)

    4 time Ring Magazine Fight of the Year: 1997 (W KO5 Gabriel Ruelas), 1998 (L 10 Ivan Robinson), 2002 (L 10 Micky Ward), 2003 (W 10 Micky Ward)

    Ring Magazine Knockout of the Year: 1997 (W KO5 Gabriel Ruelas)

    Ring magazine Comeback of the Year fighter for 2002.


    The guy was obviously a "fringe champion". :roll:

    Wrong again. :patsch

    Floyd was the WBC Super Featherweight Champ with 9 defenses and the WBC Lightweight champ with 3 defenses before moving up in weight.

    A short list of the fighters he defended successfully against:

    Henry Bruseles 21-2-1
    DeMarcus Corley 28-2-1 - IBF LWW title eliminator
    Phillip N'dou 31-1-0
    Victoriano Sosa 35-2-2
    Jose Luis Castillo 46-5-1
    Jose Luis Castillo 45-4-1
    Jesus Chavez 35-1-0
    Carlos Hernandez 33-2-1
    Diego Corrales 33-0-0
    Emanuel Augustus 22-16-4
    Gregorio Vargas 40-6-1
    Carlos Gerena 34-2-0
    ****** Juuko 33-2-1
    Carlos Alberto Ramon Rios 44-2-1
    Angel Manfredy 25-2-1
    Genaro Hernandez 38-1-1

    If by that you mean it was his first world class opponent? Smash your keyboard and throw away your boxing fan card now.

    If you mean that it was Floyd's first PPV fight, OK, you can stay...just don't spout off without having your facts straight.
     
  14. vonBanditos

    vonBanditos M΃derator Full Member

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    The fight isn't that interesting in retrospect, but in context at the time it was very compelling. Gatti was enjoying a renaissance and a lot of attention was starting to fall on Mayweather as the next great American fighter. Keep in mind that the shocking Roy Jones losses were still very fresh.
     
  15. tommygun711

    tommygun711 The Future Full Member

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    he dominated a quality opponent so easily that's what