I dont think Fury should be stripped of his titles

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by bailey, Oct 3, 2016.


  1. Smokin Bert

    Smokin Bert Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Fury is a disgrace to boxing. Yes, he should absolutely be stripped of the title. If somehow he gets his **** together, he is welcome to get back in the ring and earn another crack at the title. Likely, he is too lazy and mentally unstable to ever get that lucky again.
     
  2. BlizzyBlizz

    BlizzyBlizz Loyal Member Full Member

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    If and I'm saying IF...he has refused testing, then it's a failed test.
     
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  3. BlizzyBlizz

    BlizzyBlizz Loyal Member Full Member

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    Dont try to use Wards name in your lame, blatant attempt at giving Fury an excuse for his idiocy.
     
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  4. Unforgiven

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    No true champion should be stripped of the title. You win it in the ring, you lose it in the ring.
    Maybe if a champion doesn't fight for long enough their claim to the championship becomes redundant, but champs have gone 2 or 3 years inactive in the past, and Fury's only been inactive for about 10 months and 1 week.

    All this stuff about PEDs is a load of rubbish. Firstly, Fury tested clean in Germany and throughout the run up to the fight last year, there's only a question mark over whether he was tested un-clean 9 months earlier around the time of the Hammer fight.
    People can say, "oh but he should have been banned, he still benefitted" but that is all speculation. It might matter to some but it doesn't matter to anyone who understands that all the top athletes are using anyway, so, yes, they all benefit in some way. Welcome to the real world.
    I understand my opinion on PEDs goes against the mainstream view. But honestly most of your sporting heroes, past and present, used PEDs.
    It seems the anti-doping crusade is just a political tool in all sports. A corrupt racket.
     
  5. Jack "angry fez" Bail

    Jack "angry fez" Bail Member Full Member

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    Fury is the champion but you can't fail tests and still be champ...

    I love the guy but take the titles off him for his own sake...

    He needs time away and he needs a rest

    He will come back in 2018 and win them back (IMO)

    Plus the bodies will be looking to strip him of the belts for whatever as he is not a great representation of the division... IN THEIR OPINIONS
     
  6. bailey

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    I read that nandrolone is something that have high readings if exercising and that nothing was proven.
    Fury could have legitimate reasons
     
  7. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    The Wilder/Wlad thing was an example but fact is Wilder is a title holder and hasnt fought someone of the level of Wlad but you dont feel that is holding anything up.
    Fury not fighting Wlad doesnt hold the division up. The division is considered more exciting because of Fury ending Wlads reign and having 3 undefeated champs
     
  8. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Who has Wilder been fighting and who is he facing next? Its ok to say Wilder has been fighting but he hasnt stepped up like Fury and often when a fighter steps up the amount of fights a year often does drop a bit
     
  9. Brighton bomber

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    But the fact both Tyson and Hughie both tested positive at the same time for nandrolone suggests the nadrolone in their systems wasn't naturally occurring as a by product of exercise. It's rare enough for one person to fail a test to naturally occurring nandrolone for 2 people from the same stable to do so is highly unlikely.

    But this is why there is an appeal process. Fury's will have their chance to give a reasonable excuse for the failed tests.
     
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  10. Lith

    Lith Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wilder has done a number of decent (maybe not ideal, but) defenses since getting his title until he got legitimately injured at which point his inactivity is completely understandable. I am not a massive Wilder fan, just being objective here.
     
  11. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    They are professional athletes who could have both been training. I am against cheating but always think innocent until proven otherwise
     
  12. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Who do you feel the decent defences were against?
    I guess some would say Duhapaus since he went on to beat Helenius, but its possible Duhaupaus would not be in the top 5 HWs if based in the UK alone.
    Which defences do you feel were decent?
     
  13. TheVrominator

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    It's time for him to fish or cut bait. In the real world, if you don't show up for your job, you lose it. He is a total head case who has behaved in a completely unprofessional manner and deserves to be stripped. That being said, I'm sure $$ will dictate the decision of the sanctioning bodies and nothing else.
     
  14. Brighton bomber

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    If what you were saying was likely every athlete would test positive for nandrolone as they all train, most a lot harder than the Fury's based upon their training videos. The fact 2 athletes from the same stable tested positive at the same time is just too unlikely for it to seen as naturally occurring.

    Also we don't know what the levels were in the positive test results. If higher than what would be expected from naturally occurring nandrolone then it would be clear they are doping. But I'm just speculating here.

    Technically he's already been found guilty by UKAD, he's just appealing the result with the NADP.
     
  15. Lith

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    Molina and Duhaupas are both respectable wins imho. When you look at Wlad's voluntary defense frequency and level they are well on par imho.