I dont think Ward is a top boxer. That doesnt mean not a top fighter.

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  1. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    I would say its greater. Why do you not think it is?
     
  2. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    How many more times?

    The majority of those shots hit the red "Krusher" logo.

    They weren't low.

    I suggest you go and rewatch the fight.
     
  3. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Andre Ward:

    Miranda
    Abraham
    Kessler
    Bika
    Froch
    Dawson
    Rodriguez
    Barrera
    Kovalev x 2


    Sven Ottke:

    Tate
    Johnson
    Brewer
    Branco
    Mundine
    Reid
    Mitchell
    Starie
    Krajnc


    On what planet is it greater??
     
  4. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    They were below the belt line and below where it was highlighted. Remember there was a warning for a blow earlier in the fight. So are you saying that wasnt low either.
    You have seen video footage and are now showing yourself to be trolling. funny how you labelled the footage as something like pathetic. Just like your troll posts

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    So below the white belt line isnt low to you Loudon? Just shown you to be a troll
     
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  5. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    It was only Ottkes 13th fight when he won a world title

    Ottke made 21 title defences and was a winner of 22 world title fights

    C Brewer the then IBF SMW champ for the title, beaten twice
    G Johnson who went on to become the Ring & IBF LHW champ
    S Branco who went on to become the WBA LHW champ
    A Mundine who went on to become the 2 time WBA SMW champ
    B Mitchell the then WBA SMW champ and 2 time WBA champ
    R Reid the former WBC SMW champ and still world class
    A Krajnc the former WBO MW champ (a smaller fighter)
    M Larsen world class who went on to become European champ
    R Markussen world class who went on to become European champ
    T Tate beaten twice
    D Starie
    J Butler

    How you dont think the overall body of work by Ottke is greater I dont know?
     
  6. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Are for real?

    Get out of here with that nonsense.

    Ha!

    What a joke.

    If you want to post a video, at least find one with some decent footage.

    Find one where it actually shows you where the punch landed, from a good angle.

    If that's all you could muster up as a form of evidence, then I wouldn't have bothered.

    There's a few videos around, and this is by far the worst one I've seen. You couldn't even see the punch land in 3 of them, and what the hell was no.5 about?

    Stop wasting my time.
     
  7. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Fine.

    Now kindly use the same criteria for Andre's wins.

    List his best opponents and then type out their achievements etc, in the same manner that you've done above with Ottke.
     
  8. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Do it yourself. That was an old cut and paste for Ottke
     
  9. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    What a surprise.

    You've no intention of doing it. Because if you did, you know that it would eclipse Ottke's resume.
     
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  10. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    You havent done it which says even more, but I think you are looking too deeply at the titles rather than the fighters.
    Consider Ottke clearly beat prime SMW G Johnson who took Froch to a tough debatable decision just before Froch gave Ward a close fight, so go on, put the resumes up and we can compare them, but you have already shown that you realise you havent got a hope in the debate
     
  11. Loudon

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    I don't need to do it.

    His resume speaks for itself.

    I just knew for sure that you wouldn't type it out, as it would have made a mockery of your previous post.

    Look how it fizzles out towards the end:

    "World class who went on to become European champ"

    Ha!

    How do. wins over the likes of: Mundine, Brewer, Branco, Mitchell, Reid and Larrson, surpass wins over the likes of: Kessler, Froch, Bika, Abraham, Dawson and Kovalev? (at LHW)

    It's just you being you.

    Argumentative/deluded.
     
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    icarus1 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    top fighters don't cheat to win. they rely on their strength and heart to overcome opposition. cheaters are at a very different low-level. cheating and other corrupt practices are the diseases that kill any good activity if left untreated. it's up to the fans who have enjoyed the sport for a good belief in it's fair play to do something or it will end up dead in a short while.
     
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  14. mirkofilipovic

    mirkofilipovic ESB Management Full Member

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    This is a true role model, not Ward or IV fluid, take note you decadent philistines.
     
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  15. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    I hadnt been on ESB for a while and come back and found 21 alerts from Loudon. Obviously clearly rattled and still hasnt posted up the resumes to compare lol.
    With Ottke its overall and once again you are looking too deeply at the titles rather than the fighters.
    Consider Ottke clearly beat prime SMW G Johnson who took Froch to a tough debatable decision just before Froch gave Ward a close fight, so go on, put the resumes up and we can compare them, but you have already shown that you realise you havent got a hope in the debate

    You mention Froch as a win for Ward (which you should) but fail to note how Froch was coming off a debatable win over a faded boiled down G Johnson that Ottke beat more clearly when prime which sets the bar in difference.
    Look at the overall
    Ottke made 21 title defences and was a winner of 22 world title fights

    C Brewer the then IBF SMW champ for the title, beaten twice
    G Johnson who went on to become the Ring & IBF LHW champ
    S Branco who went on to become the WBA LHW champ
    A Mundine who went on to become the 2 time WBA SMW champ
    B Mitchell the then WBA SMW champ and 2 time WBA champ
    R Reid the former WBC SMW champ and still world class
    A Krajnc the former WBO MW champ (a smaller fighter)
    M Larsen world class who went on to become European champ
    R Markussen world class who went on to become European champ
    T Tate beaten twice
    D Starie
    J Butler

    How you dont think the overall body of work by Ottke is greater I dont know?

    Now I rate faded Kessler above any name on that list but prime Kessler was pushed by Mundine who Ottke KOd so how would faded Kessler who Ward fought have done against unbeaten Mundine? Hard to say but that is just another example of you looking at names rather than where they were.
    Its like arguing about McBride beating Tyson. Great name, sure but Tyson was at the end of his career