I dont think Ward is a top boxer. That doesnt mean not a top fighter.

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  1. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Rattled?

    No.

    Entertained by your fantasy horse manure.

    Again, be objective and list Andre's best wins in the same manner.

    If you're not prepared to do that, then don't bother replying.


    Good news:

    I've found the thread where you've repeatedly claimed that Serge shut me down etc.
     
  2. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    You wanted it done, so do it yourself, or you are not prepared and to be frank, really it shows that you were not willing to do it because you know you wouldnt have been able to completely support your claims. So you ducked out.

    Not sure what threads they were as I have not been on ESB for a while and not looked over the long list of messages yet, but he has shut you down on so many threads that to recall which specific one...
     
  3. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    I don't have to do it.

    I already know he has the better resume.

    I just know that you can't do it, because if you did, it would make a complete mockery of what you've written out for Ottke.


    Regarding Serge, he hasn't shut me down on anything. And now you're backing down because you're afraid of me bumping it and exposing your fantasy.

    When referring to Eubank, you have constantly claimed that Serge ran me off of the thread with links. I have repeatedly told you that it didn't happen. I have repeatedly told you that I countered his links with excerpts of my own, before the thread fizzled out. For 2 years you have typed out the same nonsense. Yet you're now having a memory lapse? How convenient.

    If I bump the thread, you'll see 2 things:

    1. It played out exactly as I told you.

    2. You took an absolute hammering from me and some other posters.
     
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  4. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    ???
    Delusional and pointless

    Loudon, you want to argue for arguments sake, but havent even brought up the resumes like for like, which is something YOU wanted to be done, but want me to do, rather than do yourself and then keep going on about it. That IS backing down, which is what you have done throughout.
    Just responding to a post but not answering isnt defending anything. Its just you looking like you want a response from someone.
    Come back to me when you have the resumes together how YOU want to compare them and how I displayed Ottkes resume and we can discuss, but we know you wont do that, dont we LOL
     
  5. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    I don't have to do it, because again, I know that it's superior.


    If you were making a case for Andre, you'd note that Kovalev was a feared LHW who was undefeated etc.

    You'd say that he'd beaten Dawson, who'd beaten Tarver, Adamek, Harding and Hopkins etc.

    You'd say he'd beaten Froch whilst injured, and then list Froch's accomplishments.

    That's what you'd do.

    If you were a fan of Andre's, you'd laugh at anybody who tried to tell you that Ottke had a better resume.


    Now look at what you've wrote for Ottke's opponents:

    "Former champ, but still world class"

    "World class who went onto become European champ"

    "Beaten twice"

    Ha!

    By the time you got to Starie and Butler, you couldn't even type out any text next to their names.


    Andre's resume is clearly better.

    Only a fool would argue otherwise.
     
  6. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    You bottled it.
    I posted parts of Ottkes resume and you backed down when putting Wards next to Ottkes.
    Enough said now. You backed away as usual/thread
     
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  7. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Meanwhile, back in the real world.....


    Sven:

    Brewer
    Johnson
    Branco
    Mundine
    Mitchell
    Reid
    A Krajnc
    M Larsen
    Markusson
    Tate
    Starie
    Butler


    Andre:

    Kessler
    Abraham
    Bika
    Froch
    Dawson
    Barrera
    Kovalev x 2


    Nobody but you would consider Sven's resume to be greater.

    Andre clearly beat better fighters, and he moved up to LHW.

    There's nothing else to say.

    If things were vice versa, you'd be claiming Sven was an ATG.
     
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  8. Todd498

    Todd498 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Meanwhile... Back in the REAL WORLD...

    Wards last two wins he needed a gift decision where the vast majority thought Sergey won and a corrupt referee who waved off the fight after a BLATANT low blow. THOSE ARE FACTS dummy :) You can’t argue those. THATS what happened. Lol

    Did Joe EVER need any of that or have to resort to it??? No dip****. Let that sink in. There was also never any back acne on Joe like there was Ward before the Kovalev rematch ;)
     
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  9. Staminakills

    Staminakills Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I've never bought into the ward boxer... Not elite talented but very difficult to deal with. He's got IT which means he'd getting to you one way or another and he would only lose to another fighter with IT also but.higher level talent.

    Agree with the elite fighter, never seen elite boxing anything
     
  10. Farmboxer

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    SOB is a cheater! He did not beat Kovalev, he lost the first fight by decision and lost the rematch by disqualification...................only Bob Bennett and Tony Weeks saved SOB..................when one fighter has to fight by the rules of boxing and the other does not, it is just totally unfair! SOB landed three low blows to the testicles, then suddenly Tony Weeks stopped the fight on low blows, but instead of taking points away from SOB or disqualifying SOB he gave the decision to SOB for cheating! Roc Nation owned them. Bob Bennett refused to ever review the low blows. Weeks was right there and saw them, low blows even before the three..............the right hand to Kovalev's head did not hurt him, it was the low blows. So, boxing must change the rules making low blows legal or change the decision ASAP! Also, Golota should be given the KO over Bowe now! SOB's blows were lower than Golota's. Once again, here is proof of SOB's cheating, corruption in boxing!
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  11. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Many arent old enough to know all of those names.
    I agree Ward does have some individual better wins but as an overall I would go for Ottke. Its body of work.
    For example... Buster Douglas has a better win than many HWs over undefeated Tyson, but you wouldnt put his overall resume above many other HWs.
    Also as you note about where fighters were when beaten. ie Except for Kovalev, I think many Ward beat were past their best even if not shot.

    Faded end of career boiled down G Johnson took Froch to a Mdec, so could prime G Johnson be a tougher win?

    I rate -
    Ottkes win against Mundine as greater than Wards over Abraham
    Ottkes win over Butler over Wards over Dawson
    Ottkes win over Reid greater than Wards over Bika
    Ottkes 2 wins over prime Brewer and Tate win over Wards win over past best Froch
    Ottkes win over Starie above Wards over Barrera
    Ottkes wins over Markussen Tate and Larsen combined above Wards win over faded Kessler (not prime)
    Ottkes wins over Branco LHW champ, Johnson LHW champ, Mitchell SMW champ, Krajnc MW champ, over Kovalev
     
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  12. Pimp C

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    Stop it! This is so ridiculous that it's not even worthy of a serious reply. Ottke is trash a cruel joke ward would beat him so bad he would have made him quit the sport.
     
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  13. theanatolian

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    Sven Ottke is a lot more comparable to Daniel Geale than he's to Ward.
     
  14. dinovelvet

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    :lol::lol:
     
  15. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Another hilarious post.

    First of all, I'd like to congratulate you for the best thread of 2017:

    "Look at how shook Ward looks"

    Ha! I could read that thread everyday and never get bored.


    No, what you've written is not factual.

    There was no corrupt ref.

    After the big right hand, Sergey's tank was empty.

    Like yourself, he had nothing left to give.

    There was nothing coming back, and yes, the very last shot was low, but Weeks had seen enough at that point. The damage had already been done.

    Most of the other "so-called low blows" were on the belt line. And that was shown in the video that I posted, and not in the one that you posted that doesn't even show where most of the shots landed.


    I'm not not sure why you've mentioned Joe, considering me and Bailey were discussing Andre-Ottke? But how many times did Joe 'cuff' his opponents? I'm sure that was fine with you though.


    I can't wait to read your next post.

    You're a comedy genius.
     
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