I dont think Ward is a top boxer. That doesnt mean not a top fighter.

How could anybody take Bailey seriously after this?
I rate -
Ottkes win against Mundine as greater than Wards over Abraham
Ottkes win over Butler over Wards over Dawson
Ottkes win over Reid greater than Wards over Bika
Ottkes 2 wins over prime Brewer and Tate win over Wards win over past best Froch
Ottkes win over Starie above Wards over Barrera
Ottkes wins over Markussen Tate and Larsen combined above Wards win over faded Kessler (not prime)
Ottkes wins over Branco LHW champ, Johnson LHW champ, Mitchell SMW champ, Krajnc MW champ, over Kovalev

 

This is becoming so tiresome.

You have to be trolling with this horse manure.

Butler over Dawson? Really?

Brewer and Tate over Froch? Brewer was nothing special. He was knocked out at MW against B and C class guys, before moving up to SMW. Tate? A decent fighter, but he did nothing at SMW. Andre beat Froch with ease, despite having a double fractured hand. Do you understand? He beat a fighter whilst injured, and that fighter was on a different level to Brewer and Tate. And immediately afterwards, Froch then went on to obliterate Bute, a guy who you were extremely high on at the time. So get real you nut. Wins over 2 B/C class fighters doesn't compare to beating Froch with a fractured hand. It's not a numbers game.

Reid over Bika? Did he even beat Reid? It was one of the most disgraceful performances ever seen by a referee.

Tate and Larrson over Kessler?

You now want to compare FOUR wins against Andre's win over Kovalev? Ha! GTFO you clown.

You think many of Andre's wins came against past their best fighters, or guys who were shot? Yet it's okay for you to rate Joe's wins over Eubank and Roy though, right? They're great wins to you. You've spent the last 5 years telling me that. This is the reason why you make a fool of yourself. If it's a fighter you like, you hype their wins. If it's a fighter you don't like, you dismiss them. Again, 2 months ago, you claimed that Andre merely had decent wins over Kessler and Froch. Yet just like week, you were trying to convince people how Joe had great wins over Mario Veit and Mger Mkrtchyan. You can't be taken seriously.

It's absolutely hilarious how you're now questioning Kovalev. Because 18 months ago, you were extremely high on him. He was a great fighter, who you think would have crushed a prime version of Roy in 3 rounds or under.

What don't you understand about the fact that your Douglas analogy doesn't work with Sven? Sven doesn't have a better body of work.

Broner fights at a different weight, under completely different circumstances. We are specifically looking here at Andre and Sven.

Racking up wins in Germany over mainly B and C class fighters, isn't a bigger achievement than what Andre did. Again, he beat better quality fighters, and moved up and captured the LHW title.

All Sven has on his side is numbers. But it's not enough. He did not achieve as much as Andre did. Again, Quality always trumps quantity.

Why do I need to find a respected poster? I'm not the one who's bizzarely claiming that Sven has a better resume.

There's only me on this entire thread that has tried to debate with you.

The fact that nobody else has even being willing to debate you speaks volumes.

I can guarantee that if Joe or Eubank had beaten: Kessler, Dawson, Froch, Bika and Kovalev x 2, the rest of us on here would never hear the end of it from you. You can say whatever you want, but after almost 6 years of debating you, if I'd have argued that Sven or another fighter with Sven's resume rated higher, you'd have gone absolutely mental.

All you are is an argumentative stat man.

 

I asked his opinion, genius.

Why don't you start asking people.

The only people who are going to agree with you is Todd, Kevin and Mirkofilipovic.

That's because they have no knowledge, they hate Andre, and they'll agree with anyone who criticises/disagrees with me.

How can it be so difficult to find me one poster who we both respect who agrees with you?

 

The great ward a mix between duran, bhop & ray leonard

When fighting the complete best like kov you use every tactic psychological, physical & tactical

Great fighters of the past did these things

Ward is a true throwback

Ward faced the complete best 2 top 10 smw all time in their complete primes

Both went on to become champs again

Froch literally went on 1 of the greatest runs in modern day history

Ward then moved up & fought the most feared & intimidating fighter & puncher in recent history at his complete best had trouble with him but fought his way back & did well enough to convince ALL 3 judges to give him the close decision

Fought him in a rematch right after & regardless of the lowblows & supposedly getting outboxed he set up a beautiful hard right hand then a decapitating body shot that had the supposedly ironed chined & tough as nails russian out on his feet he was completely done all ward had to do was land another clean body shot so while seeking it out the russian refuse to let him land another as he was hunching over a few punches looked to maybe land low there was no intent

Regardless the punch & body shot was the defining factor & ward wouldve continued to land even if the ref chose to give kov a 5 min recovery he was completely done

Ward did it all like a true throwback mean, dirty, crafty, skilled & intelligent

 

Do you think he has a better resume than Sven Ottke?

 

Ottke want be making it to the HOF that's for damn sure

 

Sure, Kovalev was able to challenge him technically, but Kovalev is some boxer-puncher himself, so why should that be any major discredit to Ward's outfighting ability? No other fighter has caused Ward those issues to that degree. And he found a way around those challenges. That trait, versatility, is the hallmark of many a "top boxer".

Ward can do pretty much everything in there. He's a wonderful boxer.

 

Ward almost headbutted Kessler into blindness and his career was in jeopardy...
Still some posters think it was fine, because Ward was winning before the illegal actions...
idiots...

 

This explains his fixation on Bute in the convo I had with him earlier.

In fairness, he wasn't alone. A bunch of guys had put a ton of stock in Bute to dethrone Ward, claiming that the Quebecer was categorical, guaranteed poison to the Oakland Ownage Machine (I even saw it claimed that Bute had the more educated footwork of the two). It was risible enough at the time, but to still be at it six whole years later? Good grief, just let it go. Bute's myth is deader than the dodo.


I go back to the Olympics following Ward, saw all the components for him to be as good as he has been early on. By the time of going into the Super Six, with the other Andre hogging all the fanfare for his faster hands and Bambi On Ice impressions, I was just itching for the showing and proving to begin. That Kessler would be Andre's coming-out party was never in doubt, though it was still momentous. I was more hotly anticipating him outshining show pony Dirrell H2H, until Dr. Shaw Hi persuaded the lesser Andre to duck their meeting. But in the end, Ward got done pretty much everything I wanted him to get done.

So I'm sitting pretty in fanboy terms. I backed a thoroughbred. It's got to be tough for the guys who thought they saw the same in Lucian Bute.