I dont think Ward is a top boxer. That doesnt mean not a top fighter.

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by bailey, Aug 27, 2017.


  1. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    bailey,

    What are you talking about you nut?

    He obviously didn't intentionally break any rules to win.

    Kovalev was finished, and only the last shot was borderline. Do you understand? Only one shot, the last one, was slightly low.

    You are just kidding yourself because of your refusal to give Andre any credit. It's embarrassing.

    He turned to the ref for help on 2 occasions when the shots weren't even debatable.

    Take your own advice and go and watch the fight again.

    It was BORDERLINE, and the damage had already been done at that point from LEGAL shots.

    He was physically and mentally beaten at the time of the stoppage.

    Wake up.

    He didn't even complain at the time.

    He had nothing left.

    Show me then.

    Show me footage of the repeated low blows.

    What are you waffling about?

    Golota-Bowe is a prime example to show where a fighter has intentionally hit somebody low in order to gain an advantage.

    I've used it as an example to show the startling differences between the 2 fights.

    Hilarious.

    There was nothing coming back. He was hunched over taking shots, and when Weeks stopped the fight, there were no complaints.

    Sergey looked exhausted and despondent, which followed on from him looking to Weeks for help, even though the shots that had landed were perfectly clean. He was obviously looking for help.

    You are living in a fantasy world.

    I wish I could have posted on here 10 years ago when I was still taking ecstasy.

    We could have been best friends.
     
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  2. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Another terribly weak response.

    You're really getting desperate now.

    This time last year, you thought Kovalev was one of the most dangerous LHW's of all time. You told me that you thought he was so good, that you honestly believe that he'd have knocked out a prime version of Roy early. You were extremely high on him. Yet you refuse to give Andre any credit for his wins, saying that they were only merely good wins on paper.

    About 5 years ago, you were also extremely high on Lucian Bute. You thought he was a top fighter. You also rate Kessler very high, and rate Joe's win over him as being great. You've also told me in the past, that you think Carl Froch could also have knocked out a prime version of Roy. So although Carl was never an elite fighter, he was a very good fighter, one who destroyed someone who you rated highly, and one who had 2 great fights with Kessler, who you also rate highly. Yet despite the above, you hardly give Andre any credit for easily beating Carl, despite the fact that he had a double fracture of his hand, and Carl then went on to have one of the best wins of his career.

    You're an absolute joker. One that can't be taken seriously. You won't give Andre credit for beating Carl and Sergey, yet you give your Welsh hero enormous credit for beating Kessler and Eubank.

    It's both pathetic and embarrassing.
     
  3. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    bailey,

    Oh my.


    Chris Eubank wasn't coming off of a great run of performances at SMW.

    He was coming off of 2 defeats to Steve Collins, and he was extremely lucky to not have lost fights to Benn, Schommer and Close.

    He was also getting on. He was past his best, and he hadn't even fought at the weight for 2 years.

    He hadn't had a win at the weight for 3 years.

    He also only had 11 days notice, with no sparring, and he couldn't pivot properly or do roadwork, due to his bad knees which he needed injections for.


    So:

    You don't rate Andre's win over Carl, despite the fact it was easy and he was carrying an injury, yet you think Joe's win over Eubank was GREAT, despite what I've noted above.


    Pitiful.


    You have a clear agenda and you are extremely biased.

    You are completely incapable of debating any aspect of Andre Ward's career.

    You aren't objective and you are full of contradictions.


    I'll await your default response from one of the following:

    "You're trolling"

    "Didn't read"

    "Can you shorten down your post"


    I might have start calling you Failey like Herol does. Or are me and Herol the same person? Ha!
     
  4. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Lol @ you for that comment.
    You are writing that out of desperation for an argument you cant defend, ie the trolling

    Good on paper because it is a win but not under what I feel were good circumstances of a fight ending from what appears an illigal blow with possibly others, let alone Kovalev looking like a winner to many in the first fight

    You are mixing that a bit. I said that I thought he could be potentially the dark horse of the division but it didnt turn out to be so and he wasnt. And???
    Yes an old end of career champ, past his best beating a young prime undefeated unified champ is a decent win
    Prime Froch, who I said would be behind on points but could score a late stoppage as Jones hadnt fought a SMW like that

    Both Kessler and Froch were faded. Faded Kessler beat Froch, which said alot there.
    Prime Froch we know could be outboxed. I think Froch was decent but not a top level boxer. What have I said otherwise to that?
    I dont think E Mac was a very top CW but he was able to stop Jones. Styles make fights

    Look at who Eubank had beaten and what he had done and compare the 2. Job done.
    Look at where Kessler was and how it took Calzaghe to clearly win and show the way against a prime version rather than Kessler with eye problems. Job done

    See how you didnt like the Foreman point I put forward to you but how you have done exactly that with Kessler.
    Thats Pathetic and Embarrassing. You walked right into your own trap lol
     
  5. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    "You're trolling"

    "Didn't read"

    "Can you shorten down your post"


    Thanks Herol
     
  6. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    I quite like this post. Although I dont agree with every part, I do understand what is being said.
    I think Ward is a potential HOFer. Some fighters he has exposed. In some fights I feel he was exposed.

    I think where we may differ a bit is that I feel rules are put in place to be followed. I know there will always be some bending of them as many fighters hold and hit in clinches or duck lower than the belt but I really dont like what looks like unintentional cheating and looking to do damage outside of the rules. Premeditated fouls in effect. I dont like that at all, but you are right that some people have the opinion of a win being a win, but it makes me wonder what else they would do to win with that frame of mind
     
  7. IKSAB

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    Wow some people just don't know **** about boxing. A brawler, not a boxer? Laughable.

    Wards the greatest SMW yet, and who knows what he can go on to do at LHW and above. He kicked Sergeys ass, made him look for a way out, and now potentially retire.

    Kovalev admitted Ward was the 'better man' after the fight and has shown no interest in a rematch. He has waved the white flag. About time his legion of butthurt fans did the same.
     
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  8. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Are you an apologist?
     
  9. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Will return later
     
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  10. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    I hate wading through the sewer when I'm on a rat extermination mission too. The stench is utterly unbearable and one needs to get out of there and go get a few thousand lung fulls of fresh air.
     
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  11. surfinghb

    surfinghb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ward isn't a top boxer nor is he a top fighter ... he just simply is dirty and a disgrace for boxing.. When you have been watching boxing long enough and see a fighter consistently time after time after time again lead with his head like that, not to mention his elbows, it's just simply intentional. I mean this clown at times is leading with his head, gloves down from the outside!! .. I wonder if Angelo Dundee, Cus D'Amato, Eddie Futch, Nacho Beristain, Emanuel Steward, Freddie Roach, etc. taught the "flying head butt" to their fighters? lol.. It is convenient for the ref to call it accidental, there is too much money involved these days.
     
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  12. Farmboxer

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    SOB lost to Kovalev two times..................he lost the fight, but his personal judges, referee, boxing commission gave him the fight, in the rematch, those three low blows to the testicles had been practiced in the gym, his testicle punches were in an upward motion to cause the most damage to the testicles.....................the video and still pictures do not lie. Tony Weeks is still in hiding, won't answer any questions, Bob Bennett refused to even review the video. This is destroying boxing, cheating, it's just a fact. SOB said that Neutral judges would not be fair to him, SOB was correct, he would have lost the fights, of course we must include Bob Bennett and esp. Tony Weeks who lied live on HBO! HBO and SOB's team knew they could lie to the public and get by with it, SOB has been cheating all his life. He is a crook, very dishonest, no way is he a Christian, no way..........................
     
  13. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    You're not wrong Serge.
    Once that foul stench of delusional apologists enters the nostrils it takes ages before it starts to smell fresh on here again. Problem is, I can sense them as soon as I enter on to these pages and end up having to take it upon myself to do something about the problem.
    The mods should be issuing bans left right and centre so that excellent posters like ourselves and few others can give some professional opinions straight away instead of having to educate the delusional first.
     
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  14. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    You seem obsessed with Calzaghe. Completely obsessed and that is where you have exposed your agenda and self pwned.
    Carl wasnt on a great run either... Debatable win over Pascal, late win when behind against faded Taylor, debatable win over Dirrell, loss to faded Kessler with eye problems, win over Abraham coming off a loss, debatable win over Johnson.
    Froch was also older than Eubank and had been in several bruising encounters in a row as well as having been exposed badly. Eubank only had 2 debatable losses to one fighter who many felt he beat.
    You say Ward had a bust hand but he mentioned he wasnt aware of it and it didnt cause him a problem. I have had broken bones and not been aware or had problems with them, so what was the disadvantage there?
    Calzaghe fought his career with bad hands and won fights with bust hands and being in pain with them.
    Lets also not forget that Ward was beating Froch having been an established champ, whereas Calzaghe was facing a SMW legend in his first world title fight. But that wont suit you will it!
    Bring up Eubanks debatable fights and how many fights he had, had and then look at how many Froch had which were debatable in less.
    As for Eubank not having fought at the weight. Eubank openly said he could fight at the weight and Bute hadnt fought at the weight or had a win at the weight for even longer, as well as being older and having suffered 2 clear defeats, yet got a title shot at Degale, which makes your argument look very poor, as usual.
    Still why you want to bring up Calzaghe on a Ward thread is beyond me. Herol
     
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  15. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Has Weeks not given an interview?