I dont understand Floyd's reasoning of fighting the guys he does.

Concrete · Oct 7, 2009

Originally Posted by 1lehudson
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Look man the PPV did 19,000 buys so someone had to pay for the **** anyways cause the fans sure as **** didnt..That isnt even the point, you claimed that he had two weeks notice which was once again bull****, something that someone made up and the rest of you ran with. Not to mention he could have used a fill in fighter which is why every single fight comes with the "CARD IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE" warning on them.

My gut says that if Margo really wanted the fight he would have took the fight..Just and Vitali Klit did when Lewis gave him a few weeks notice. He jumped at the fight, he lost and still gained a shitload in the fight. Margo didnt take the fight simply because he didnt really want the fight.. It was better for Margo to have people think that floyd was scared of him, after all before his win over Cotto that is what he was best known for...People claiming him to be the most feared man in boxing dispite the fact that he twice turned down a fight with Mosley, rejected the offer to fight Floyd and ran from Williams before getting forced into the fight. Then he once again tried to ran from Shane and only took the fight once Arum assured him that he would get a rematch with Cotto NO MATTER if he won or lost.

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Pimp C said: ↑

Once again spot on. People take fights on short notice all the time. Especially when they have a fight against a top ranked fighter like PBF, that's the chance of a lifetime. Hell Simms took a fight on short notice last week against Green. **** Margo he's a disgraced limited cheat anyway and was thoroughly thrashed banned and exposed because of it.
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I'm still waiting for someone to give me one valid reason to why Margo was a risk for PBF like they claim he was. Is it because he is 5'11. Well DLH was 5'10 1/2, is it because he had a 73 inch reach, so did DLH. DLH also gave Mosley a better fight then Margo as well. DLH was a better fighter the Margo and PBF moved up to 154 to fight him.

Any questions about PBF avoiding Margo is eliminated by him fighting DLH.

Pimp C · Oct 7, 2009

Concrete said: ↑

PBF faced two bigger fighters then him in Judah and Baldomir who both were title holders yet gets no credit because they are considerd B level fighters.

PBF then faces 2 A level pound for pound fighters and gets no credit because they were smaller then him.

I agree that whats left is to fight top welterweights.

But its stupid to look back at PBFs last 5 fights and cry about them. At the end of the day JMM, Hatton, DLH, Baldomir, Judah were all quality fighters when PBF fought them.

I have a question though.

Why is DLH considerd washed up when he fought PBF at the age of 34 but yet Mosley is not at 38. DLH knocked out Mayorga before he fought PBF and only lost to Mosley on steroids and Hopkins who was to big for him 2 out of the 3 fight prior.
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Easy it allows them an out and a way to discredit PBF's win. A lot of people now discrediting PBF's win over Oscar are the same posters who picked Oscar to KO PBF.atsch Also these people saying Shane is a huge threat to PBF will be the same ones saying he's washed up and shot when PBF beats him. They did the same with Oscar and Hatton after that as well as others like Chico who was weight drained and distracted I could go on and on.:-( No matter who he beats they will have an excuse and not give him any credit anyway so why not say **** em and fight for the most money? I would.

Pimp C · Oct 7, 2009

Concrete said: ↑

I'm still waiting for someone to give me one valid reason to why Margo was a risk for PBF like they claim he was. Is it because he is 5'11. Well DLH was 5'10 1/2, is it because he had a 73 inch reach, so did DLH. DLH also gave Mosley a better fight then Margo as well. DLH was a better fighter the Margo and PBF moved up to 154 to fight him.

Any questions about PBF avoiding Margo is eliminated by him fighting DLH.
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Easy he was a bigger risk because they bought into the hype that Arum was feeding them and because of their natural hatered of PBF when it was easy to see to anyone who knew boxing Margo was nothing special and already had 5 losses. Margo is nothing more than a tool used by PBF haters to try and discredit him plain and simple and it back fired big time on thier asses. They also will always buy into the next guy that they think can bring PBF down.:deal If Berto beats Shane he'll be the next to join that club even though most people here don't give him a chance in hell against Shane and don't think much of him anyway. Funny logic isn't it?:nut

dodong · Oct 7, 2009

Concrete said: ↑

I'm still waiting for someone to give me one valid reason to why Margo was a risk for PBF like they claim he was. Is it because he is 5'11. Well DLH was 5'10 1/2, is it because he had a 73 inch reach, so did DLH. DLH also gave Mosley a better fight then Margo as well. DLH was a better fighter the Margo and PBF moved up to 154 to fight him.

Any questions about PBF avoiding Margo is eliminated by him fighting DLH.
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Logic says that if DLH got a split dec with PBF, and you surely would agree that Margo, Shane, Cotto, Williams would beat up Oscar at that stage in his career. You therefore would assume that these 4 would pose a real risk to Floyd of which he has been smartly AVOIDING.

Little Pea · Oct 7, 2009

Pimp C said: ↑

Easy he was a bigger risk because they bought into the hype that Arum was feeding them and because of their natural hatered of PBF when it was easy to see to anyone who knew boxing Margo was nothing special and already had 5 losses. Margo is nothing more than a tool used by PBF haters to try and discredit him plain and simple and it back fired big time on thier asses. They also will always buy into the next guy that they think can bring PBF down.:deal If Berto beats Shane he'll be the next to join that club even though most people here don't give him a chance in hell against Shane and don't think much of him anyway. Funny logic isn't it?:nut
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Top 47: MOsley, Cotto, CLottey, WIlliams(?)...
FLoyd fight them and i'll be satisfied.
That hard to understand?

lenin · Oct 7, 2009

Boom_Boom said: ↑

Horrible logic, Floyd is claiming to be the king of a division but doesnt have to fight guys that have been there for their entire career?
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amd marquez claimed he wanted mayweather so I guess he/you shouldnt be bitching about the size difference

Concrete · Oct 7, 2009

dodong said: ↑

Logic says that if DLH got a split dec with PBF, and you surely would agree that Margo, Shane, Cotto, Williams would beat up Oscar at that stage in his career. You therefore would assume that these 4 would pose a real risk to Floyd of which he has been smartly AVOIDING.
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Why would I agree that Margo, Cotto, Williams would beat up Oscar at that stage in his career.

What would make me believe that in 2007 that Margo, Cotto, Williams would beat Oscar DLH. Mosley did it, but he also took steroids to do it. If Mosley was so confident why would he need to take steroids.

PBF also won convincingly, the SD was BS. PBF landed 50 plus percent of his punches and connected with more punches at a higher rate in the last 4 rds.

NALLEGE · Oct 7, 2009

1lehudson said: ↑

Unlike many of these morons you actaully make some decent points albeit your still off alittle....First off at the time Arum was still Floyds promoter, so making the fight would have been really easy. Had Margo wanted the fight he could have took the fight. Margo tried to do the same thing with Mosley, hide behind Arum. "OH we never got any offer." It was after this that Floyd bought himself out of the contract with Top Rank.

As far as making the offer at a better time....Well he did have Oscar in the wings, and no was was turning down a chance to fight Oscar, which by the way is also something that Margo knew as well, which would have made it seem even more likely that he would have jumped at the offer..

Look man the way I see this thing is like you chasing a hot chick for a year, you are getting ready to go out on a day with a not so hot chick, at which point the hot shows up and says tonight the night, what are you going to do??? Go on the date with the not hot chick, or **** the hot chick that youve been after for a year??? Its really that simple...After all Margo is known to do things that Arum didnt want him to do:good
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latineg · Oct 7, 2009

Boom_Boom said: ↑

I dont, the way he chooses who he fights from his own words and whom he acutally fights doenst make any sense.

Are the Joyboys going to back up floyd's gospel as fact or use it as a smart lying strategic business ploy.
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sorry i didnt really make my point clear enough, my bad, i meant to compliment you because everything you said at the bottom of your original post about floyd wanting the other top guyz to battle each other first so he can WATCH and decide if he feelz he has the confidence to beat them first before he fights them made perfect sense to me so i waz just making a joke that eventhough you were only speaking hypothetically i thought you hit it on the head pretty well.

Mundo · Oct 7, 2009

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LOL, Floyd JMM is a mismatch, but Floyd Plasterito is not huh?

Forget the fact that Margarito has spent his entire career at 147 to 154 while Floyd started at 126.

But yeah, I forgot, size only matters when Floyd is the bigger man.
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man get over it!! who gives a sit what he started his career at? the guy cant even amke a catchweight of 144!!! hes a full blown WW now. thats his class and hes in his prime. so you can throw that **** out.

NALLEGE · Oct 7, 2009

Floyd isn't retired. He can still fight any one of those guys at ww. Floyd did what the ww's are doing at 130, and that is fight who is in line. Freitas or Casamayor did not want floyd at 130, so he fought most of the top 10 at the time at sfw. When a PAc fan posts bout Floyd, look out because the bullshite will start flying lol... People forget that Floyd did want to fight Shane, and that he try to make a deal with Arum to fight AM. These facts are overlooked by the TS because the TS thinks that he has enough video evidence of Floyd ducking two fighters. Learn what the boxing term 'ducking' means... I still can't to this day understand why any true fight fan would think Floyd ducked Margarito of all fighters lol...

Concrete · Oct 7, 2009

According to Arum, Mayweather turned down the career-best purse to meet Margarito on Aug. 12 on HBO Pay-Per-View, instead opting for free agency by buying Arum out of their deal for $750,000.

"I did hear from him," Arum said of Mayweather. "He decided not to fight this summer. I made him a tremendous offer. I think Margarito is the riskiest fight for him of anyone out there."

Mayweather adviser Leonard Ellerbe told ESPN.com that Mayweather passed on the fight not because he is ducking Margarito, but because he couldn't be ready to fight by Aug. 12. Mayweather injured his right hand during a dominating April 8 victory against Zab Judah.

"Floyd is not 100 percent healthy," Ellerbe said. "He has a bruised right hand. His hand is not broken. It's bruised, but it's a bad bruise. He wants to go into any fight 100 percent healthy. If Antonio Margarito happens to be the best available option when he is healthy, so be it.

"We are not turning down Margarito. I want to make that crystal clear. When and if he is the best available option for Floyd's next fight, that's the direction he will move in."

Arum said Mayweather preferred to await the outcome of the May 6 Oscar De La Hoya-Ricardo Mayorga fight instead of committing to Margarito because he would prefer to fight De La Hoya.

"We're not sitting waiting on De La Hoya," Ellerbe said. "He's in a tough, tough fight with Mayorga."

Many in the sport believe a De La Hoya-Mayweather fight is the biggest fight on the horizon and the only one capable of generating 1 million-plus buys on pay-per-view.

The reason Mayweather opted for the buyout rather than waiting for the May 6 result was because the contract had a limited window for the buyout, one that expired before the De La Hoya fight. However, Arum said he would have extended the window if Mayweather had asked. What Arum wouldn't do, he said, was raise the guarantees for other fights outlined in the contract.

Arum said while Mayweather would have taken the $8 million to fight Margarito, he asked for a $10 million guarantee to fight opponents such as Miguel Cotto and Ricky Hatton, when Arum was only willing to guarantee $7 million.

Arum said Mayweather also asked for $20 million to fight De La Hoya, a fight Arum said he wasn't interested in participating in.

"That's not in the cards," Arum said. "He wants $20 million for the De La Hoya fight? It's not there. Sometimes, my man, you gotta know when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em. We'll talk about things down the road."
Ellerbe said Mayweather opted for the buyout so he could be "more in control of when and who he fights next. It's as simple as that. There is nothing bad between Floyd and Bob."

Arum agreed that the split with Mayweather was not on bad terms like their brief breakup last year. In fact, Arum said, "We intend to be back together. Everything with this was honorable and good. I had offered him numbers [for a multi-fight contract extension] that were livable. His expectations are in the stratosphere. He was entitled to buy me out, and he did. We decided this was the best way to handle it. He is a free agent. We have agreed to work with each other [in the future]."

The split frees Mayweather to make a potential deal with De La Hoya without Arum as part of the promotion. His involvement would have made making a deal almost impossible: The head of Top Rank has openly feuded with De La Hoya, his former superstar, and their companies rarely do business together as a result.

Arum said he was simply not interested in participating in a De La Hoya-Mayweather fight, but not because of his distaste for De La Hoya.
"I don't want to, because if I did that fight, I would be working for such a small percentage, it's not worth it," he said.

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PBF asked Arum for 10mil guranteed to fight Cotto, Arum turned it down only offering 7 mil. Which is why PBF wanted Cotto to fight in more PPV so that he could get that 10mil gurantee. Also how could he offer 8mil for Margo but only 7mil for Cotto. Was Arum more willing to allow Margo to fight and lose to PBF since he already had 4 losses. Was Arum not ready to risk Cotto taking a loss to PBF at that time which is why he wanted to low ball PBF.

Arum stated 20mil was not there yet PBF got 20mil. The part about PBF's hands are a fact as well. If you watch the 24-7 for PBF Baldo you would see PBF getting hand treatment by some female doctor. PBF also was looking to fight Mosley, Tszyu, DLH in Nov if you remember him calling them out after Judah, which is backed up by Mosley stating he didn't want to fight PBF in Nov but wanted to take a yr off. Facts back up that PBF's hand was indeed injured and that PBF wanted a Nov fight which Arum and Margo must have declined for Nov because they wanted Aug 12 though im not sure if PBF didn't want to fight Margo in Nov either, I'm not sure.

But it clearly is stated BY ARUMS OWN WORDS that PBF would have taken 8 mil to fight Margo, and ASKED TO FIGHT COTTO and HATTON for 10mil. Of course this will be slide under the rug in a week.

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dodong · Oct 7, 2009

Concrete said: ↑

Why would I agree that Margo, Cotto, Williams would beat up Oscar at that stage in his career.

What would make me believe that in 2007 that Margo, Cotto, Williams would beat Oscar DLH. Mosley did it, but he also took steroids to do it. If Mosley was so confident why would he need to take steroids.

PBF also won convincingly, the SD was BS. PBF landed 50 plus percent of his punches and connected with more punches at a higher rate in the last 4 rds.
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If Floyd would be so confident to tear through these 4 and solidify his claim as one of the greatest, he would have fought at least one of them by now. No matter how you look at it, he sees BIG risk in each of them.

Mundo · Oct 7, 2009

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What's really gonna be funny is when PBF signs to fight either Pac, Cotto, Mosley or Berto next what will you ****ing haters have to say then?:yep All these claims about ducking and cherry picking will blow up in your ****ing faces. You PBF haters are living on borrowed time because PBF will be fighting the names I mentioned above next. You idiots should really get tired of being proven wrong by PBF and move on except he's the best of this era give the man his props and get over it. You would be better off doing so because these fights will happen next.:deal
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i will be happy if he fights any of those guys expdect for pacquiao. I mean...theres no denyinig the guys skills and dedication...but what people want is for him to actually fight the WW at his division...not a man who only fought at 135 twice. signed for 144...then cant even make that weight. and then another smaller guy...**** those guys..fight the WW division. the actual top guys there.

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I dont understand Floyd's reasoning of fighting the guys he does.

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I dont understand Floyd's reasoning of fighting the guys he does.

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