I emailed Ring Mag Complaining about the Ring P4P List

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by JohnAnthony, Apr 19, 2013.


  1. JohnAnthony

    JohnAnthony Boxing Junkie banned

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    I emailed doug fisher about ther terrible rankings and calling them bias and got a response on his friday Mailbag. he basically says only complete boxing nerds care about such things


    :lol:

    MY EMAIL:

    POUND FOR POUND RANKINGS
    At least before you were being subtle about your Golden Boy bias at The Ring. But this is taking the mick.
    Broner at number 5. Ghost at number 8, ahead of Donaire!!!
    Shocking. And what annoys me the most is, you’re punishing a fighter like Donaire for fighting all comers.
    Why should he be dropped? It was clear to anyone that Rigondeux was P4P worthy in that ring.
    I get that you need The Ghost high in your rankings to help make Floyd’s horrendous matchmaking actually look like he's now defeating a top p4p player, and Broner is a future star, but this is getting embarrassing!
    And I know you like to say P4P doesn't mean anything, but it does!
    In a world where there's no more credible boxing outfits declaring the right champion I used to use your Ring ratings to determine who is the best. But now they’re even worse than the actual Governing Bodies! – Michael

    Doug's Responce:


    I’m sorry you feel that way, Michael. I still think THE RING’s divisional rankings – which has a listed criteria and takes in the input of an excellent advisory group, the Ratings Panel (none of whom are responsible for the mythical rankings, by the way) – are superior to the rankings of the sanctioning organizations.
    The pound-for-pound rankings do not have a set criteria, and, for the most part, do not factor in the suggestions of the Ratings Panel (many of whom do not offer their opinions on the mythical top 10 list). The Editorial Board (which is Michael Rosenthal and I) do have significant input but the final decision belongs to Giampa.
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    I’m sorry that you disagree with Giampa. I understand that the pound-for-pound rankings are of EXTREME important to a segment of boxing’s hardcore fandom.

    (And when I refer to you “pound-for-pound-philes” as “hardcore,” I mean that in the geekiest sense. You guys are every bit as nerdy and irritating as some of the goofballs I bump into at comic shops. If comic books were your thing instead of boxing, you’d be one of those grown-ass men who dress up like Green Lantern and go to all the conventions; and you’d definitely be the type to argue the merits of Marvel over D.C. or Star Trek over Star Wars for hours.)
    I’d tell you to get over it, but I know you won’t. So have fun being crazy.
    But before I move on, I want to point out a few things.
    First, the magazine’s pound-for-pound rankings is not a marketing tool for major fights like Mayweather-Guerrero. There is no F___ING way that Guerrero being on anyone’s pound-for-pound list is going to help sell or legitimize this fight.
    Very few of the casual fans who buy the “May Day” pay per view know who Guerrero is, let alone his pound-for-pound status (and most have no idea what “pound for pound” even means). All they know about Guerrero is what they’ll watch of him on Showtime’s All Access, and I guarantee you nobody is going mention where The Ghost is ranked in THE RING mythical ratings during that series. The fans who buy the May 4 PPV who are familiar with Guerrero don’t care about his pound-for-pound ranking. Even Guerrero’s fans don’t care. They just want to see him beat Mayweather.
    And by the way, now that Pacquiao has been KTFO, Floyd is the ONLY pound-for-pound rated boxer that anyone – outside of a couple thousand hardcore nutcakes worldwide – gives a rat’s ass about. Showtime’s commentators will mention that Mayweather is No. 1 during the May 4 pay-per-view broadcast. They will not likely mention that Guerrero is No. 8. And if they do mention his ranking it won’t help or hurt the credibility or popularity of the magazine’s mythical rankings.
    I hate to break this to you, Michael, but normal folks don’t care who’s pound for pound. If the Ring Ratings Update gets any attention, it’s because of nutty hardcore fans.
    The latest RRU received 407 “likes,” about 10 times as many likes as the average RingTV.com blog
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    items receive. You can diss the list all you want, but you’re just driving more traffic to it. And many of those curious first-timers will come back.

    ALL of the critics of the rankings will come back.
    The folks who comment at the bottom of the RRU, like “Valerie Crosbie,” are there EVERY WEEK. What else are they going to do with their time?
    You guys live for this s__t the way a cosplay fool can’t wait to show off his new Deadpool getup at the San Diego Comic Con.
     
  2. 168 lbs

    168 lbs Guest

    Jeez, that tranny spent like half an hour writing a reply telling people they didn't have a life and were geeky. :lol::patsch

    P.S. TL;DR
     
  3. Mufc30

    Mufc30 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    gotta say, that was a funny comeback,didnt expect him to include pictures haha
     
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    Yes, funnyyyyy!

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  5. Paulj1989

    Paulj1989 New Member Full Member

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    Did a full time boxing pundit/journalist just give someone grief for being a boxing nerd?
     
  6. JohnAnthony

    JohnAnthony Boxing Junkie banned

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    yeh :lol:

    i appreciate its geeky and irrelevant, but disagree that it doesn't give weight to an event.

    And it will be mentioned when floyd beat Ghost, that he's just destroyed a top 10 p4p player
     
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  8. mick557

    mick557 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Those "nutty hardcore fans" that he refers to are the same people that buy the magazine month in month out despite it being behind actual events by at least a month and just the general fall in quality since they changed a lot of the staff at the Ring last year.

    Way to go Doug.
     
  9. Uncle Roger

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    HEHEHEHEHAHAHAHEHEHAHAHA

    super funny:-((
     
  10. JohnAnthony

    JohnAnthony Boxing Junkie banned

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    as i'm not into comics, i did stuggle to understand his reference to dressing up like green lantern and arguing between comics

    I never actually realised people argued between who would win between superheroes.
     
  11. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    Pound 4 Pound is for Nerds. And people like to say Chins don't matter? :lol::rofl:patsch
     
  12. JASPER

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    P4P may be for nerds but chins are for ***s
     
  13. kosaros

    kosaros Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Good to know they are electing for controversy rather than integrity to get reading figures up these days....
     
  14. Miguel

    Miguel Well-Known Member Full Member

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    That Doug sounds like an idiot!!! He's a boxing journalist and instead of defending his magazine's rating he instead goes on the attack stating it's not an important list and it's basically there to help drive sales and only geeks care about it...

    What journalistic integrity hahaha
     
  15. Mufc30

    Mufc30 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes i found it quite funny-appropriate response to a fightfan, probably not no. But fck off with the highhorse stuff as i bet you lot have laughed at things a lot more offensive.

    Besides it wasnt like the original email to him wasnt full of accusations was it.