I FEEL BAD for GGG... Canelo is a STYLISTIC NIGHTMARE for GGG

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  1. Kevin Willis

    Kevin Willis Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Corrupt state athletic commissions, ref nad judges on the take and weaponized drug testing are far bigger stylistic nightmares for GGG than that privileged ginger Cucknelo!
     
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  2. RingKing75

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    Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bla blah blah! Just dont disappear like a fart in the wind if Canelo gets beat especially by ko.
     
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  3. boxon123

    boxon123 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Do you think that the weak jab of Canelo's opponents compares to the thumping jab of GGG? Really ? Surely you are not that dumb.
     
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  4. BCS8

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    This. Golovkin's jab is more of a power punch than other people's power punches. He doesn't use it to pile up points or to annoy or to rangefind. Golovkin hammers that punch in and uses it to bust guys up with. It's an elite jab.
     
  5. Brighton bomber

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    Canelo does have some stylistic advantages, that's pretty obvious. He won't have to look for Golovkin giving him opportunities to counter and work inside, I do expect him to land often on Golovkin, it will be competitive, to a point.

    But GGG isn't Chavez Jr or Angulo. In those fights his counters and inside work stopped his opponent in their tracks and gave him space to work and time to breath. We've seen GGG get hit flush a lot and still keep coming. Canelo will play the matador and try to lead GGG into his traps but GGG ain't no bull, he's juggernaut and he isn't going to be so easily discouraged.

    Canelo's head movement is good but Golovkin isn't some head hunter his body attack will be unavoidable. Canelo isn't going to back GGG up like he did for periods against Chavez Jr. Eventually the pace Golovkin sets, the pressure and body attack will see him be overwhelmed.

    Unless Golovkin has gotten old overnight or Canelo displays a chin like Hagler then I expect Golovkin to come through and get the win. Whatever happens I am expecting a fantastic fight, their styles match up well, this could be a classic.
     
  6. Radrook

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    In what part of the Kirkland fight was Canelo wobbling all over the place?

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    What I see him doing briefly in that first round is trying to emulate Mayweather by fighting while leaning on the ropes.

    BTW
    When the ref asks Kirkland :

    "Äre you OK baby?"

    Kirkland clearly shakes his head saying no and the ref sends him in anyway. I disagree with that kind of thing.
     
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  8. acie2g

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    Honestly this posted before I was done didn't know it was here til I saw the notification. But to each his own imo it should be a good matchup I think Alvarez wins fairly clearly in a competitive fight, if GGG is to reckless I can see a possible late TKO.
    Canelo has attributes that can lead him towards a win, GGG seems like a prideful boxer if Alvarez can gain a quick advantage with his speed early he can fluster Golovkin and open him up for more mistakes down the line.

    GGG from the outside had a power edge, but we've seen Alvarez seemingly knock the fight out of quite a few fighters Canelo has the right combination of factors, that leads me to believe he can surprise early and keep up the heat.
     
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  9. Angler Andrew

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    If I hadn't of seen that Liam Smith fight I'd of thought you crazy but did you notice an improvement from Cotto say to Liam Smith,I'm not gonna even mention Amir Khan cause with his speed and boxing skill he literally makes everyone look bad until he gets knocked out of course.
    Thing is after the Khan fight Pauline M said categorically that he'd not improved and that GGG wins easy but they not saying that now and I think it's cause of that Liam Smith performance where he just comes out the blocks so fast using a jab and just looking different imo.
    What do you think?as The media and Canelos fans have gone from not expecting much from Canelo v GGG to what we have now and I don't believe it's a false hope like that that so many put in Adrian Broner last month,it appears real to me as there also seems to be an opinion that GGG has slipped some with age,not sure myself as he was facing grade A fighters in their respective divisions,one got his eye smashed in by a jab apparently and a very large Jacobs fought a brilliant old fashioned middleweight bout imo and the respect for each other was incredible like they knew which one of em won each round.

    I've gone over that fight plenty and can't give it Jacobs as well as he fought the close scores were right with the cruncher in the end being the knock down and his jab as I believe Jacobs had a few more power punches.
    I think you're right on so many points with Canelo but if I was rooting for him I'd be worried because I'd be wondering where the acclimation was?Andre Ward as he's not a mega star PPV guy acclimated into the division but I just think that Oscar wanted his cash cow to bring in the coin and instead of a few tune ups they took the PPV.

    Can any Canelo fans tell me how Canelo fares against someone like Jacobs,Lemieux or GGG power,somehow he has to do what Gennady did to Lemieux and not get hit much no?
     
  10. DeadLikeMe

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    Cotto lives and dies by the power jab. No way does GGG have a better jab than Cotto. I think GGG beats Cotto due to many other factors that go with fights, but no way does GGG have a better jab than Cotto.
     
  11. Angler Andrew

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    Fair point,reckon I got a bit carried away there lol,I do think though that after getting hit or buzzed he often retreats to the ropes.
    I've always thought though that he'd be better at middleweight and have more gas in the tank and I reckon we saw some of that against Chavez albeit four pounds more,his chin looks as solid as anything though he's stepping into the unknown here,not just at middleweight but against a guy with a formidable KO record.
    When someone's never been dropped before it's hard to imagine em going down but just going on what previous opponents have been able to take from GGG I think Canelo is gonna have to be pretty elusive for twelve rounds,kinda like how GGG takes on big punchers,take shots to the top of the head and find a range instead of letting Golovkin dictate range.
    It's good that it's now seen as 50/50 with loads of boxers,pundits picking Canelo but I'm in agreement with Tim Bradley who said he was picking Canelo all the way but for some reason after the Chavez fight he flipped to GGG as he thought that unlike Chavez GGG is gonna throw punches with bad intentions and that over twelve rounds no matter how much Canelo ducks and sways he's gonna caught eventually and Bradley believed that that's all GGG needs just one or two big shots.
    I just hope that if Canelo pulls of the biggest upset I just hope nobody has the cheek to mention GGGs age as you're not telling me between Amir Khan and Chavez he's aged to the point of being no good anymore?
     
  12. Staminakills

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    You're trolling or 100% ignorant towards this sport if you truly believe Khan out boxed canelo 5 out of 6 rounds. Khan landed a handful of punches the entire fight, all the best shots (minus 1 that Khan had the first minute) were landed by canelo.

    It took canelo 1.5 rounds to get his range and adjust to Oh and speed. It was a OMG Khan landed a clean shot, that means he won that round

    If you watch that fight and really know what you're supposed to be looking for and at, truth is it was a compete mismatch is talent never mind the power and weight bs.

    Canelo is elite, he landed a left hook in round 2 that truly ended khans night. Shook him up and the gap in talent started to show.

    My lord, you have zero case for trout beating canelo. The ONLY REASON trout saw round 10-12 was entirely due to open scoring. Canelo was so far ahead (as he should had been) that he coasted to the very easy victory
     
  13. Angler Andrew

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    I'll have to trust your word on that and go recheck Cotto and his jab,different weight classes for a start but let's just for a guy like myself who doesn't know a lot about boxing all I know is after seeing that Lemieux fight I was just blown away by GGGs Jab and am I right in saying it was some kind of record for jabs thrown per round?
    It was like he thought ok Lemieux has some power so let's see how he copes with a Jabathon lol and he didn't cope very well actually,I bet Lemieux was kicking himself that fight for giving GGG too much respect,he should of let his hands go more I reckon.
     
  14. stormy

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    who has Canelo fought that was a go forward pressure fighter with power punches?
     
  15. Angler Andrew

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    Funny cause my first impressions(usually right imo)I had Canelo winning both Lara and Trout and couldn't and still can't see any controversy with those wins.
    Re Amir Khan though Canelo and Oscar knew all about Khan,Oscar has an amazing boxing brain I reckon and his MO is to outbox his opponents for four to six rounds and then walk onto something,I actually listened to the fight on the radio and they had Pauline M commentating and he had Khan four rounds up and he just kept on saying at the time that for Canelo to have success he needs to have a sustained attack which Khan just wasn't letting him do but hey what do we know as Canelo only needed one good shot in the end anyway.
    I can see where you're coming from in that you're probably of the opinion that Canelo had it all underhand which is how it proved but as a judge scoring those first four rounds you'd be weighing up some of Canelo bigger shots to Khans scoring shots,for someone to think Khan won the first four rounds doesn't make em a troll as it ties in with the commentators at ringside,was Canelo ever in trouble?no but he was out boxed which is no shame against Amir Khan at all.