I feel Joshua can beat Wilder, inside fight?

BCS8 · May 23, 2019

Good thread

Holler · May 23, 2019

DoubleJab666 said: ↑

Basic 1-2 boxing behind the jab, put Wilder on the back foot (that helps diminish his power to a degree) and stay focused. When the opportunity arises... take the action up close and personal and use that extra weight and strength, he's gonna need to wear Wilder down. Rather than making opportunities, Wilder waits for mistakes - and thus conserves energy - and his speed combined with athleticism means he only needs half an opening to land his bombs.

The outcome of this fight lies in AJ's hands. Can he box well enough to minimise the errors and can he stay fresh enough should the fight go longer than he expects? Wilder doesn't gas because he rarely presses the action, he knows as well as we do, he can't win this fight on points without KDs so being behind on the scorecards won't force him to up the intensity (until very late in the fight, anyway) - he's become very patient in terms of playing the waiting game.

So the onus is on AJ. If he performs as one would expect, his better skills and ring IQ should be enough. But park that left hook Anthony. Only a fool would choose that weapon up against Wilder's straight right...
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Great post.

Jacob Tanswell · May 23, 2019

I think Joshua needs to get inside him as Wilder isnt as explosive at close range. Going to be difficult to get inside though.

African Cobra · May 23, 2019

bandeedo said: ↑

i would train aj to keep turning wilder to his left, and when he gets position on the turn, punch hard at his chest. just keep touching him hard. wilder cant box, he doesnt deal well with getting hit, no matter where it is. so hes going to react to getting punched hard, and i guarantee that reaction will create openings. it also saps his energy, having to keep reacting to hard punches, so it slows his own punches in later rounds.
things he should work on, his left hook, keeping his chin tucked, and keeping his left hand glued to his face. there will come a point when wilder lands a good one and will go all out, this is the time to catch him with a left hook as he swings both arms wide, cause he always does. just keep disciplined and i see aj having little trouble with wilder.
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You sound like a trainer. Surprisingly I find myself agreeing with you.

reckless · May 23, 2019

The best thing would be for Joshua to do what Lewis did against Golota. Jump on him from the start and don't let him settle.

chico g · May 23, 2019

The bodybuilder would get obliterated by those whirling windmills, before he gets close enough to Wilder. Those Ibf, Wba, and Wbo belts have Deontay's name written all over them!

Brighton bomber · May 23, 2019

DoubleJab666 said: ↑

Basic 1-2 boxing behind the jab, put Wilder on the back foot (that helps diminish his power to a degree) and stay focused. When the opportunity arises... take the action up close and personal and use that extra weight and strength, he's gonna need to wear Wilder down. Rather than making opportunities, Wilder waits for mistakes - and thus conserves energy - and his speed combined with athleticism means he only needs half an opening to land his bombs.

The outcome of this fight lies in AJ's hands. Can he box well enough to minimise the errors and can he stay fresh enough should the fight go longer than he expects? Wilder doesn't gas because he rarely presses the action, he knows as well as we do, he can't win this fight on points without KDs so being behind on the scorecards won't force him to up the intensity (until very late in the fight, anyway) - he's become very patient in terms of playing the waiting game.

So the onus is on AJ. If he performs as one would expect, his better skills and ring IQ should be enough. But park that left hook Anthony. Only a fool would choose that weapon up against Wilder's straight right...
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Excellent post, agree about the left hand, using the left hand as a lead on Wilder is asking for trouble, Wilder beats you to the punch and end up eating a right hand, we saw that vs Breazeale. Joshua should only use it as a counter after Wilder misses with the right hand if at all.

Joshua needs to use the simple 1-2 as you say, Washington was winning doing that with a far inferior 1-2, but he can't become predictable with the left jab or he'll get times with a right over the top, Joshua needs to feint a lot with the jab and needs to move to his right to stay away from Wilder's right.

Also agree about tiring out Wilder, Fury is the only boxer to put his weight on Wilder and it ended up with Wilder tiring late, Joshua needs to be physical in close, push him around, lean on him, drain him physically to slow Wilder down.

KO Artist · May 23, 2019

red_roo said: ↑

AJ has da job ahead . Wilder is dangerous .
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I think AJ just just as hard (at least) as Wilder.

Boxeo Maximo · May 23, 2019

KO Artist said: ↑

I think AJ just just as hard (at least) as Wilder.
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Yes, like Canelo when planted, uppercuts or body shots have strong effect. I remember when Canelo and GGG were fighting on the inside, both really tired, Canelo throw a mean uppercut in Gennadys guard and had him stepping back from the force and loosening his arms in the process to reset. This is the type of power that Joshua can exert when planted and positioned correctly that will look good to the judges.

SmackDaBum · May 23, 2019

Imagen Joshua as a fencer. Checking Wilder everytime he loads up. Keeping the right distance. Wilder cant risk getting caught like he did against Fury. Joshua will take the Parker approach but explode once he has him in trouble, like after a counter right cross. Then he will use his size, strength and calculated aggressivenes to finish him of. He will literally ragdoll him into uppercuts from the inside unlike Ortiz.

marting · May 23, 2019

The last place Joshua wants to be with Wilder is on the inside. Wilder has dangerous, awkward punches in close quarters.
Joshua would be better off racking up early rounds by outboxing Wilder at a slowed down pace for 7 rounds and then just circle right away from Wilders right hand for the rest of the fight and hopefully steal a couple more rounds. Wilder can be outboxed. You get in his range and it's disaster.

Reppin501 · May 23, 2019

Boxeo Maximo said: ↑

What AJ does well is reading leaping hooks from a distance, with Klitchko having been more fast than Wilder imo from the outside. Of course Wlad and Wilder are completely different, but looking at most of Wilder’s fights from the inside, and particularly against Fury, I think AJ has better inside IQ and will find openings when to strike.

I feel AJ’s uppercuts are very underrated.

AJ’s weight will also play a vital role in clinching, tiring Wilder more than the Ortiz outing.

Sure Ortiz is heavy handed, but AJ more heavy handed than Ortiz and improves each fight.
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Wait...you think 40 year old Wlad is faster than Wilder?

InHumanForm · May 23, 2019

This is all a moot point as Ruiz is set to KO Joshua before going on to KO Wilder and becoming Undisputed HW Champ

POTUS · May 23, 2019

Boxeo Maximo said: ↑

I think what gives Joshua the advantage vs the crop is his planted weight power like Canelo. Joshua will train and move to avoid Wilder’s right and faints. Also Wilder’s hooks have a lot speed and range.

But what Joshua has to rattle Wilder is inside fighting to the body, setup, and go for the uppercuts.

Bodywork will give AJ the edge. Anybody else agree. Wilder is dangerous, but I think inside brawling from AJ is his Achille’s heel.

-BM
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Are you suggesting stiff aj to come forward vs Wilder lol!

christo · May 23, 2019

Yes, I suspect McCracken will have AJ step to Wilder as soon as possible and make it
a mid range fight where Wilder has no chance. A high guard and feints can get AJ close
to Wilder to close that danger gap where Deontay can get off with that right hand.

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