I feel sorry for Cotto

cotto is the man..
he should fight shane again.
hopefully he didn't suffer too much long term damage from the chating *******.

 

there is no evidence of him doing it in the cotto fight but i do believe he did cause i was confuse as hell as to why all of a sudden cotto slowed down but little punches do catch up to you sooner or later

 

If Cotto had just clinched we would've seen him win easy. Don't know if he would've stopped Margo, but Shane proved, clinching makes Margarito confused....it allows you to slow down his workrate, which in turn allows you to hit him more after the clinch is broken, and eventually you can stop him.

Mosley laid the blueprint to beat Margo last night, Cotto would've done it sooner, if only he had clinched!

I'm not going to pass judgement on Margo's handwraps until I find out the truth. Did think it was strange how his arm punches seemed to destroy people, but I assumed he was following in the vein of all good Mexican fighters, who only need to make contact with an opponent, even in the slightest manner in order to hurt and wear them down.

I thought Margarito had heavy hands, and his phenomenal workrate and iron chin allowed him to break opponents down.

Cintron was terrified and, after Margarito's very good chin took some of his punches, became disheartened and was stopped.

Cotto landed many good punches on Margarito's VERY GOOD chin but too became terrified that the Terminator was coming after him, thought he couldn't hurt Margarito, DIDN'T CLINCH and took a shedload of punishment, Toni's stamina allowing him to beat Cotto down and stop him.

Mosley saw through this. He saw that Margo was easy to hit, and made a few adjustments to slow Margo's workrate, worked his ass off himself and ended up stopping him.

Margarito clearly has a very good chin. But it is not infallible. I hope now the Margo nuthuggers will not post stupid threads like 'Margarito vs. Hearns at 147'. It is clear now that Margarito would not shape up that well against ATG fighters, and is clearly a B-Level fighter. Losses to Santos and Williams were not because he started too slow, but because he is not that great a fighter.

He is an effective pressure fighter when you allow him to be. Unlike Chavez, Sanchez and even Vasquez/Marquez, Margo does not belong in that class because he has no Plan B.

Shane had a solution for Plan A and Margo could do nothing to stp it being one-sided.

I am a fan of both Margo and Mosley, but in a way it felt like justice to see Toni being stopped, mainly because of nuthuggers on ESB.

Margo-Cotto is STILL an interesting match and Cotto will want to do it for prides sake. Margo will want to show he is not a one-fight man and that he really did always have Cotto's number (Of course this is all depends on the outcome of the wraps scandal)

What next for Mosley? I think it is safe to say he has not just the beating, but the battering of Berto.

Will Shane want to move up to 154 and fight Williams? My bet is he stays at 147. If Williams can come back down that would be a very interesting fight.

A fight vs. the winner of Hatton/Pac doesn't really interest me. There are plenty of good fights for those guys with Elite fighters from 135/140.

Think about it? Shane is not a massive WW. He is a FORMER LW! He is OLD! he is coming off the back of an impressive victory and appears to be IN FORM! He is a NAME! He is black and American and is a multi-weight World champion. Guaranteed MONEY!

You might wonder why I stupidly put certain words in capital letters. These are the things that appeal to FLOYD! (lol sorry done it again)

This is risky in terms of the matchup, but Floyd knows that, if he loses to Mosley, it was mean less than losing to someone like Margarito. Floyd knows he can say Mosley was one of the best fighters of the last 20 years there's no shame in that.

I personally think Floyd should be fighting the guys around the same age as him, but Mosley has shown us that he is still in the mix, arguably the best fighter at 147......it would actually be a difficult fight for Mayweather, but not as risky as ighting Margo-pre Mosley (who had an aura which Floyd may have bought into, personally I think Floyd schools Margo without the stoppage) or Cotto (who I actually think Floyd would've fought had he beaten Margarito last July.)

PBF vs. Mosley would be a competitive fight, would pose Floyd's biggest test so far and legacy-defining for both guys. They're both multi-weight World champs with questionable resumes at times, i.e; Mosley so-called top 5 LW of all time, opposition wasn't great, steroid allegations; resurgance in later years.

Floyd; seemingly cherry-picked opponents, opponents that were his equal had problems with weight when they fought Floyd; Castillo 1 controversy; 'Retiring' without fighting Margo/Cotto/Williams/Clottey/Mosley.

Good fight. Hope Floyd comes back and takes it.

 

Agreed. They should at least suspend that cheater:deal

 

you can't go back and prove that Margo used anything against Cotto so its a moot point.

 

Interested to know how you know more than everyone else, even before the substance has been tested from last night's fight. If it's true what the substance was rumoured to be then he 100% deserves the criticism, but you can't say hes been doing something unproven as yet for years as fact!

 

I'll just add this to what you've said I highly doubt that they waited till the mid rounds for Margo's wraps to harden. My guess is that they probably soak then right after the commision leaves so that his hands are stone by the time he enters the ring.

My guess is that he had loaded hands right from the opening bell. And honestly if you look at the fight Cotto gets hurt early as well as late.

 

..except you DON'T KNOW if he has been doing it for years. That's wild speculation. We do know that no other trainer/promoter/cornerman has noticed funky wrappings that Margarito had before any of the other previous fights.

Could be he didn't get caught.. or just as likely he didn't have illegal wraps.

If it comes out that he used the same illegal wrap against Cotto, I'll throw him under the bus for it.. but right now we have nothing to prove Margarito EVER used illegal wraps in the ring against ANY fighter. That is a fact.

 

You guys are forgetting something: Cotto his noise broken in the second round and was bleading from the mouth by the 6th. Try breathing though a bloody mouth for 12 rounds a you'll know why Cotto slowed down the way he did.

 

We'll it wasn't the commision that spotted this it was Naz, same with the Tito fight. So just saying well he didn't get busted just isn't good enough for me. Honestly, people have been cheating in boxing for years. Its nothing new to pull a fast one.

 

i agree. not to defend margo, tito, shane, etc, but people especially the haters are quick to jump to conclusions.

 

The clinching won this fight.. and the headbutts. Not saying what Shane did was illegal.. it was part of the game.. but it frustrated the living **** out of Margarito.. so did all the fair-game tactics.. the tapping of hands after clinches/wrestling/end of rounds.. it just took Tony out of his mindset.

Mosley both physically and mentally beat Margarito.. I think the KO came as much from the psychological beatdown as from the punches.. the punches did it, but he destroyed Margarito mentally into thinking he just couldn't do it.

That two-tiered approach makes this one of Mosley's greatest wins. It was a superb performance, and one not to be weakened by all the other bull****.

 

All is fair in love and war. Same goes for boxing. I guess Mararito both mentally and physically beat Cotto too. As did Hopkins over Tito and Tito over Vargas.

 

I agree. I was too hard on Cotto about the quitting. I kind of have to kick myself for hating on the dude for bowing out the fight, he didn't know that son of a ***** had plaster in his gloves, but he stayed as long as he could and tried to put on a fight. The same thing with Kermit Cintron, he tried his hardest to fight but that cheating mother****er had loaded gloves.

Margo should be banned from the sport, Kermit, Clottey, and Cotto should have their fights ruled NCs.

 

Cotto's face was a mess similar to Collins few years ago you don't see this kind of damage too often I'm pretty sure he got hit with something more solid this accusation for the wrong wrapping is very serious I remember Panama Luis been banned for life after finding him tampering with the gloves.